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DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well

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TimFox:
Yes, please ignore Aetherist on this subject.
The gravitational red shift ("dropping" a photon down a well) was demonstrated back in 1964 using the Mössbauer effect to detect a small change in the frequency of a gamma photon between the top of a tower and the bottom.
Original reference:  T E Cranshaw and J P Schiffer 1964 Proc. Phys. Soc. 84 245
Later experiments improved this measurement with stronger radioactive sources and a taller tower.
To avoid paywalls, see pp 16-20 of this publication from Argonne National Laboratory, that starts with a discussion of the Mössbauer effect:  https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2005/09/54366.pdf
The Mössbauer effect can detect very small changes in the frequency/energy of a photon emitted from a radioisotope (see the ANL article for the gory details).
It's kinda sorta like detecting an audio-frequency Doppler shift of a gamma photon energy (don't take that sentence literally).

aetherist:

--- Quote from: BrianHG on January 25, 2023, 09:18:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 07:43:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: BrianHG on January 25, 2023, 05:48:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 11:27:17 am --- & Einstein was not correct.
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So you are telling us that mass and energy do not alter the curvature of spacetime?
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There is no such thing as time, hence no such thing as spacetime.
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Time and spacetime are not the same thing.  Are you sure you understand what Einstein's General Relativity is?
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Yes i have studied (at home) STR & GTR for many years. I made an Excel that showed that an incremental iteration using basic GTR equations did indeed give the "correct" numbers for the bending of light passing the Sun (2 kinds/sets of bendings)(one due to ticking)(one due to contraction of rods)(both equal in total, but having completely different curves along the way).
I daresay that no-one else has made such an Excel.
However the GTR theory for the bending of light passing the Sun is wrong -- & i have used Excel to give the same total bending using aetherwind theory & aether gravity theory (once again 2 kinds of bending here).

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 07:43:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: BrianHG on January 25, 2023, 05:48:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 11:27:17 am --- & Einstein was not correct.
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So you are telling us that mass and energy do not alter the curvature of spacetime?
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There is no such thing as time, (...)

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Sure. And this forum doesn't exist. You don't exist. I'm not even replying to this post.

BrianHG:

--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 09:30:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: BrianHG on January 25, 2023, 09:18:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 07:43:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: BrianHG on January 25, 2023, 05:48:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 11:27:17 am --- & Einstein was not correct.
--- End quote ---
So you are telling us that mass and energy do not alter the curvature of spacetime?
--- End quote ---
There is no such thing as time, hence no such thing as spacetime.
--- End quote ---
Time and spacetime are not the same thing.  Are you sure you understand what Einstein's General Relativity is?
--- End quote ---
Yes i have studied (at home) STR & GTR for many years.

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And after all this study, you don't seem to know that spacetime and time are not the same thing.
Remember, it was Einstein who said that time is nothing more than an illusion, it actually doesn't exist, and yet his General Relativity which he knows is not time has been measured and proven apparently more than you know.
Since you cannot grasp what his 'spacetime' actually is and confused it of being some sort of time, there is nothing here to converse about.
Bye.

aetherist:

--- Quote from: TimFox on January 25, 2023, 09:27:53 pm ---Yes, please ignore Aetherist on this subject.
The gravitational red shift ("dropping" a photon down a well) was demonstrated back in 1964 using the Mössbauer effect to detect a small change in the frequency of a gamma photon between the top of a tower and the bottom.
Original reference:  T E Cranshaw and J P Schiffer 1964 Proc. Phys. Soc. 84 245
Later experiments improved this measurement with stronger radioactive sources and a taller tower.
To avoid paywalls, see pp 16-20 of this publication from Argonne National Laboratory, that starts with a discussion of the Mössbauer effect:  https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2005/09/54366.pdf
The Mössbauer effect can detect very small changes in the frequency/energy of a photon emitted from a radioisotope (see the ANL article for the gory details).
It's kinda sorta like detecting an audio-frequency Doppler shift of a gamma photon energy (don't take that sentence literally).
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Yes, Circlotron's antenna signal going up to his/her antenna would indeed be affected by gravitational redshift, & this redshift i suppose can be fairly accurately modelled by GTR.
But this effect (on phase of signal going up to the antenna) is a constant kind of effect & therefor would not affect Circlotron's X – hence this Einsteinian shift can be ignored here.

Are u aware that the Einsteinian shift fails to account for actual delays for signals passing the Sun – it fails by factors of over 1000 – but aether theory accounts for the measured delays. There have been at least 2 such Einsteinian shift failures – if u like i can find them for your info.

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