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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2023, 10:33:13 pm »
1. There is no such thing as time.
Despite being posted by aetherist with the above time stamp.
 
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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2023, 10:38:27 pm »
Yes, I already replied to this post. If you see my reply below yours just ignore that. Thanks.
:-DD Don't waste your time on this...
But what do u think about Circlotron's proposed X using a 100 m antenna?
Might it work? I mean in theory (obviously an oscillator etc offa ebay wont be accurate enuff).
My thinks re the Circlotron-X are in my reply#9.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2023, 10:50:59 pm »
1. There is no such thing as time.
Despite being posted by aetherist with the above time stamp.
Einstein & i agree that time is an illusion -- but u dont agree.
I said that your Circlotron-X will not give a creeping accumulating signal -- i said that it would give a cyclical signal -- lots of cyclical signals actually.
Now for some more info for u.
1. If u use 2 oscillators, or if u move one oscillator between 2 locations, u will need to be careful that the oscillator(s) is/are horizontal.
2. And, u will need to be careful that the oscillator(s) are orientated in the same NSEW direction.
3. And u will need to work quickly -- if a lot of time passes then the good work of having the oscillator(s) horizontal etc will be wasted.
1 2 3 are due to the effect of length contraction of the quartz crystal in the oscillator -- LC is due to the aetherwind (speed of)(& direction of) -- i did the calculations for LC of a crystal years ago in Excel -- more importantly, i did the calcs for the effect of LC on the TD for the crystals in Excel -- i am a genius.
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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2023, 10:54:07 pm »
Yes, I already replied to this post. If you see my reply below yours just ignore that. Thanks.
:-DD Don't waste your time on this...

What time?
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2023, 10:56:26 pm »
Yes, I already replied to this post. If you see my reply below yours just ignore that. Thanks.
:-DD Don't waste your time on this...
What time?
Einstein's illusory time -- & my illusory time (alltho we karnt both be correct)(different kinds of illusions). 
But for sure your idea of time is not correct.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2023, 11:01:46 pm »
Yes, I already replied to this post. If you see my reply below yours just ignore that. Thanks.
:-DD Don't waste your time on this...

What time?
The energy you had to expend firing your neurons to read and reply to statements in this thread ever so slightly shortening your lifespan.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2023, 11:14:05 pm »
Yes, I already replied to this post. If you see my reply below yours just ignore that. Thanks.
:-DD Don't waste your time on this...

What time?
The energy you had to expend firing your neurons to read and reply to statements in this thread ever so slightly shortening your lifespan.

What energy?
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2023, 11:25:13 pm »
What energy?
The residue from the Big Bang.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2023, 11:27:56 pm »
Yes, I already replied to this post. If you see my reply below yours just ignore that. Thanks.
:-DD Don't waste your time on this...
What time?
The energy you had to expend firing your neurons to read and reply to statements in this thread ever so slightly shortening your lifespan.
What energy?
Energy is not a material thing. Energy is a math construct based on force -- hence what i should say is that force is not a material thing.
All material things have mass -- non-material things (eg force & energy) do not have mass. But, this is a circular argument -- a material thing is something that has mass, & mass is due to being material (a circular argument or definition).

Do u have any examples of the existence of pure energy.
Or any mention of such existence in modern physics?
I wont hold my breath.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2023, 11:32:08 pm »
What energy?
The residue from the Big Bang.
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Yes -- the only mention of pure energy in modern physics was indeed in relation to the BB.
The BB theory says that in the beginning all that existed was pure energy.
But, i am not aware of any modern physics that says that some of that pure energy still exists as some kind of residue!!
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2023, 11:39:21 pm »
Do u have any examples of the existence of pure energy.
Or any mention of such existence in modern physics?
I wont hold my breath.

My god, the Casimir effect proving vacuum point energy.  Is your knowledge of experimental proof physics so terrible as seen by a number of your recent posts...
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2023, 11:57:47 pm »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2023, 12:07:23 am »
Do u have any examples of the existence of pure energy.
Or any mention of such existence in modern physics?
I wont hold my breath.
My god, the Casimir effect proving vacuum point energy.  Is your knowledge of experimental proof physics so terrible as seen by a number of your recent posts...
Hmmmm -- the Casimir Effect (a quantum theory effect) says that Einstein is wrong -- yet u rub the Casimir Effect in my face as an example that supposedly helps your case that Einstein is correct.
In addition -- Einstein did not believe in the BB -- yet u invoke BB to help your case that Einstein is correct.
STR is krapp -- & GTR is mostly krapp.
We are presently in the Einsteinian Dark Age of science -- but the times they are a-changin'.
The aether will return -- it never left.

 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2023, 12:17:41 am »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
Recent means in the near past.
Past means an earlier time.
Time is based on ticking.
Ticking is a process.
Processes are illusions.
Illusions are due to memory.
Memory is due to consciousness.
Consciousness is a mystery.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2023, 12:27:23 am »
Do u have any examples of the existence of pure energy.
Or any mention of such existence in modern physics?
I wont hold my breath.
My god, the Casimir effect proving vacuum point energy.  Is your knowledge of experimental proof physics so terrible as seen by a number of your recent posts...
Hmmmm -- the Casimir Effect (a quantum theory effect) says that Einstein is wrong -- yet u rub the Casimir Effect in my face as an example that supposedly helps your case that Einstein is correct.
In addition -- Einstein did not believe in the BB -- yet u invoke BB to help your case that Einstein is correct.
STR is krapp -- & GTR is mostly krapp.
We are presently in the Einsteinian Dark Age of science -- but the times they are a-changin'.
The aether will return -- it never left.
How come you did not say that this doesn't prove energy does not exist?

Ok Mr expert on General Relativity enough to know it is wrong, then you must also know the name of the General Relativity effect which causes this:

Approximately 1.5 years ago, LIGO recorded a relatively close gravity wave from the collision of two neutron stars instead of black holes whose collision and explosion was proven as it was observed by telescope at the same time, seen as a nova releasing new heavier elements into our universe.  Without friction in space, why do such high gravity mass objects orbits decay and accelerate so quickly?  What is the given name to what's responsible for this rapidly accelerating decay in orbit?  Why do the mass of these objects measured by LIGO and observed by telescope match the predicted orbit decay by General Relativity's fundamental mathematical structure?

There was also another telescope captured image within our Milky Way galaxy which has also illustrated and proved the existence of this force, so we know it is real.  I'll let you know as a prize if you figure out the effect I'm talking about.
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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2023, 01:28:44 am »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
Recent means in the near past.
Past means an earlier time.
Time is based on ticking.
Ticking is a process.
Processes are illusions.
Illusions are due to memory.
Memory is due to consciousness.
Consciousness is a mystery.

So you used "recent", a term you yourself define as being based on an illusion.

From there, can't we conclude that you are being delusional? ::)
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2023, 01:35:32 am »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
Recent means in the near past.
Past means an earlier time.
Time is based on ticking.
Ticking is a process.
Processes are illusions.
Illusions are due to memory.
Memory is due to consciousness.
Consciousness is a mystery.

So you used "recent", a term you yourself define as being based on an illusion.

From there, can't we conclude that you are being delusional? ::)
Shhhh, be quiet... I snagged him on something he cannot Google or just ask anyone about.  Let's see how long it takes him to answer my General Relativity question.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2023, 01:41:48 am »
Do u have any examples of the existence of pure energy.
Or any mention of such existence in modern physics?
I wont hold my breath.
My god, the Casimir effect proving vacuum point energy.  Is your knowledge of experimental proof physics so terrible as seen by a number of your recent posts...
Hmmmm -- the Casimir Effect (a quantum theory effect) says that Einstein is wrong -- yet u rub the Casimir Effect in my face as an example that supposedly helps your case that Einstein is correct.
In addition -- Einstein did not believe in the BB -- yet u invoke BB to help your case that Einstein is correct.
STR is krapp -- & GTR is mostly krapp.
We are presently in the Einsteinian Dark Age of science -- but the times they are a-changin'.
The aether will return -- it never left.
How come you did not say that this doesn't prove energy does not exist?

Ok Mr expert on General Relativity enough to know it is wrong, then you must also know the name of the General Relativity effect which causes this:

Approximately 1.5 years ago, LIGO recorded a relatively close gravity wave from the collision of two neutron stars instead of black holes whose collision and explosion was proven as it was observed by telescope at the same time, seen as a nova releasing new heavier elements into our universe.  Without friction in space, why do such high gravity mass objects orbits decay and accelerate so quickly?  What is the given name to what's responsible for this rapidly accelerating decay in orbit?  Why do the mass of these objects measured by LIGO and observed by telescope match the predicted orbit decay by General Relativity's fundamental mathematical structure?

There was also another telescope captured image within our Milky Way galaxy which has also illustrated and proved the existence of this force, so we know it is real.  I'll let you know as a prize if you figure out the effect I'm talking about.
For starters – Einstein did not believe in gravity waves – certainly he did not believe in LIGO gravity waves, ie gravity waves that carry energy. Now to your first question.

Re the Casimir Effect proving that space contains zero-point energy – i don’t remember ever having a deep think about the Casimir Effect – but i suppose that 2 metallic plates a few nanometres apart might have an attraction – the answer will involve electons – electons are photons that hug the surface of conductors – electons are what causes electricity on a wire – the attraction will involve the behaviour of electons – plus it might involve the behaviour of common electrons on the surfaces (ie electron charge) – now, electons repel electons, & electrons repel electrons, & electons repel electrons, they all have negative charge – hence the cause of attraction is in the first instance contradictory – the plates should experience repulsion not attraction – but i will have a think – yes, i think i have it -- as Feynman said "like attracts like" – i agree – there is the answer
But the Casimir Effect has nothing to do with your question re whether energy exists as a material thing (or having some of the properties of material things in some instances).

Re your second question. I don’t understand it. If LIGO uses GTR theory to calculate masses & orbit decay etc then how can u assert that the masses & orbit decay etc validate GTR? If A is used to calculate B, then how does B prove A?

Re the name of a force. All forces are gravitational or electro-magnetic or centrifugal.
Praps u are referring to the supposed precession of perihelion effect – which i suppose is not really a force (according to Einsteinists).
Anyhow, this GTR precessional effect is fake.

Re LIGO. LIGO is a fake-fraud. There has not been much happening at LIGO lately -- wonder why?
As more LIGOs are made we will see that they all prove that GWs dont exist.
This will be funny. Karnt wait.
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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2023, 01:46:21 am »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
Recent means in the near past.
Past means an earlier time.
Time is based on ticking.
Ticking is a process.
Processes are illusions.
Illusions are due to memory.
Memory is due to consciousness.
Consciousness is a mystery.
So you used "recent", a term you yourself define as being based on an illusion.
From there, can't we conclude that you are being delusional? ::)
Einstein said that time is an illusion -- so, if Einstein ever used the word recent (or at least its German equivalent), then that makes he & i both delusional in your opinion.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2023, 01:48:28 am »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
Recent means in the near past.
Past means an earlier time.
Time is based on ticking.
Ticking is a process.
Processes are illusions.
Illusions are due to memory.
Memory is due to consciousness.
Consciousness is a mystery.
So you used "recent", a term you yourself define as being based on an illusion.
From there, can't we conclude that you are being delusional? ::)
Einstein said that time is an illusion -- so, if Einstein ever used the word recent (or at least its German equivalent), then that makes he & i both delusional in your opinion.

That's not an opinion there, just a fact.
Well, that is either being delusional, or yanking everyone's chain. You may know which one it is for you, but for Einstein, maybe not.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2023, 01:56:35 am »
AHA.  Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply.
Please define the word “recent”.
Recent means in the near past.
Past means an earlier time.
Time is based on ticking.
Ticking is a process.
Processes are illusions.
Illusions are due to memory.
Memory is due to consciousness.
Consciousness is a mystery.
So you used "recent", a term you yourself define as being based on an illusion.
From there, can't we conclude that you are being delusional? ::)
Einstein said that time is an illusion -- so, if Einstein ever used the word recent (or at least its German equivalent), then that makes he & i both delusional in your opinion.
That's not an opinion there, just a fact.
Well, that is either being delusional, or yanking everyone's chain. You may know which one it is for you, but for Einstein, maybe not.
If i am correct (that your criticism of me should apply equally to Alby) -- then the natural conclusion is that it is u that is yanking the chains.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2023, 01:57:13 am »
Wrong.

Just because Einstein didn't believe in black holes even though it was brought to his attention that his theory predicted them doesn't mean they still aren't real or don't exist just because Einstein said they are not real.

The issue here is General Relativity right or wrong.  More is known about GR today than Einstein could have foreseen in his day.  Just like black holes, Einstein was told that his theory predicts the possibility of gravity waves.  Einstein thought that they would be too impossibly weak if they actually do exist to ever be proven.  But General Relativity says they can exist and we did sense their existence by measurement.

Being an expert enough on General Relativity to be able to say it is wrong means you should know this history.
You got 1 more day to answer my simple question which only has around a 1 sentence answer and for extra credit, around another 2-3 sentences describing what the effect is.  Einstein knew exactly the effect I am describing and the proper term of whats going on has been used in numerous scientific papers on the subject as such a a student of spacetime should know.

Good luck Mr. General Relativity is not real...
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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2023, 02:26:16 am »
Re LIGO. LIGO is a fake-fraud. There has not been much happening at LIGO lately -- wonder why?
As more LIGOs are made we will see that they all prove that GWs dont exist.
This will be funny. Karnt wait.
The Neutron star merger gravity waves were seen and given an approximate location in the sky by LIGO.  Optical telescopes saw the fading glow of a neutron star collision in the targeted location of the sky.  The visual sight of that collision pretty much sealed the deal with LIGO's observation being real.

Also, yes, the gravity waves and the speed of the deteriorating orbit that LIGO observes does reveal the mass of the colliding objects.  You should know this Mr. I understand General Relativity so well to be able to say it is false, as GR allows you to back-calculate the mass of orbiting massive objects through the ramp speed of their decaying orbit.

Again, I'm off for the night and lets see if you can still answer my question by tomorrow night.
 

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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2023, 02:27:06 am »
Wrong.

Just because Einstein didn't believe in black holes even though it was brought to his attention that his theory predicted them doesn't mean they still aren't real or don't exist just because Einstein said they are not real.

The issue here is General Relativity right or wrong.  More is known about GR today than Einstein could have foreseen in his day.  Just like black holes, Einstein was told that his theory predicts the possibility of gravity waves.  Einstein thought that they would be too impossibly weak if they actually do exist to ever be proven.  But General Relativity says they can exist and we did sense their existence by measurement.

Being an expert enough on General Relativity to be able to say it is wrong means you should know this history.
You got 1 more day to answer my simple question which only has around a 1 sentence answer and for extra credit, around another 2-3 sentences describing what the effect is.  Einstein knew exactly the effect I am describing and the proper term of whats going on has been used in numerous scientific papers on the subject as such a a student of spacetime should know.

Good luck Mr. General Relativity is not real...
My apology to Circlotron for polluting his thread – but this Einsteinian stuff duz or might affect his Circlotron-X.
I am a bit puzzled – u ask me to name a force – or praps it is an effect.
I am starting to think that u are talking about the conversion of mass to energy.  Or something related to that.

That is an interesting topic. The fundamental particle is the photon – photons exist in at least 7 possible states – free photons (eg light) – electons (semi confined photons on the surface of good conductors)(electons make electricity) – free electrons (photons that have formed loops by biting their own tails) – fully confined electrons (electons that hug a nucleus instead of a surface)(orbiting electons)(orbiting electons have wrongly been called electrons) – protons (electons that have formed a very tight loop or figure 8 or something) – exotic particles (electons that have formed exotic loops) -- neutrinos (free photons that have formed a pair sharing the same axis but 180 deg out of phase).

When matter disintegrates the confined photons change & bekum free photons.
There is no release/emission of gravity waves -- & in any case gravity waves do not have intrinsic energy (but here i am talking about Newtonian gravity waves, that do exist)(a different animal to LIGO GWs).
There is no release of any free energy – free energy duznt exist.
There is not necessarily any conversion of mass to energy -- & if there is a kind of conversion of mass to energy then it duz not necessarily accord with E equals mcc.
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Re: DIY measurement of time dilation in a gravity well
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2023, 02:32:30 am »
Wrong.

Just because Einstein didn't believe in black holes even though it was brought to his attention that his theory predicted them doesn't mean they still aren't real or don't exist just because Einstein said they are not real.

The issue here is General Relativity right or wrong.  More is known about GR today than Einstein could have foreseen in his day.  Just like black holes, Einstein was told that his theory predicts the possibility of gravity waves.  Einstein thought that they would be too impossibly weak if they actually do exist to ever be proven.  But General Relativity says they can exist and we did sense their existence by measurement.

Being an expert enough on General Relativity to be able to say it is wrong means you should know this history.
You got 1 more day to answer my simple question which only has around a 1 sentence answer and for extra credit, around another 2-3 sentences describing what the effect is.  Einstein knew exactly the effect I am describing and the proper term of whats going on has been used in numerous scientific papers on the subject as such a a student of spacetime should know.

Good luck Mr. General Relativity is not real...
My apology to Circlotron for polluting his thread – but this Einsteinian stuff duz or might affect his Circlotron-X.
I am a bit puzzled – u ask me to name a force – or praps it is an effect.
I am starting to think that u are talking about the conversion of mass to energy.  Or something related to that.

That is an interesting topic. The fundamental particle is the photon – photons exist in at least 7 possible states – free photons (eg light) – electons (semi confined photons on the surface of good conductors)(electons make electricity) – free electrons (photons that have formed loops by biting their own tails) – fully confined electrons (electons that hug a nucleus instead of a surface)(orbiting electons)(orbiting electons have wrongly been called electrons) – protons (electons that have formed a very tight loop or figure 8 or something) – exotic particles (electons that have formed exotic loops) -- neutrinos (free photons that have formed a pair sharing the same axis but 180 deg out of phase).

When matter disintegrates the confined photons change & bekum free photons.
There is no release of any free energy – free energy duznt exist.
There is not necessarily any conversion of mass to energy -- & if there is a kind of conversion of mass to energy then it duz not necessarily accord with E equals mcc.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong...  Just answer my question.  What is the name given to the GR effect which causes the orbits to decay causing neutron stars and black holes to merge.  I don't care if you think it is real or not.  Or, what you think is causing the effect.  For you to know it is not real, such a general effect of GR, you need to know what's the given name of the effect.  Otherwise you do not know what GR is or how it is intended to work, so you cannot say GR is wrong.
 


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