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| aetherist:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 26, 2023, 01:48:28 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on January 26, 2023, 01:46:21 am --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 26, 2023, 01:28:44 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on January 26, 2023, 12:17:41 am --- --- Quote from: Circlotron on January 25, 2023, 11:57:47 pm --- --- Quote from: aetherist on January 25, 2023, 11:32:08 pm ---AHA. Congratulations. U have anticipated & replied to my most recent reply. --- End quote --- Please define the word “recent”. --- End quote --- Recent means in the near past. Past means an earlier time. Time is based on ticking. Ticking is a process. Processes are illusions. Illusions are due to memory. Memory is due to consciousness. Consciousness is a mystery. --- End quote --- So you used "recent", a term you yourself define as being based on an illusion. From there, can't we conclude that you are being delusional? ::) --- End quote --- Einstein said that time is an illusion -- so, if Einstein ever used the word recent (or at least its German equivalent), then that makes he & i both delusional in your opinion. --- End quote --- That's not an opinion there, just a fact. Well, that is either being delusional, or yanking everyone's chain. You may know which one it is for you, but for Einstein, maybe not. --- End quote --- If i am correct (that your criticism of me should apply equally to Alby) -- then the natural conclusion is that it is u that is yanking the chains. |
| BrianHG:
Wrong. Just because Einstein didn't believe in black holes even though it was brought to his attention that his theory predicted them doesn't mean they still aren't real or don't exist just because Einstein said they are not real. The issue here is General Relativity right or wrong. More is known about GR today than Einstein could have foreseen in his day. Just like black holes, Einstein was told that his theory predicts the possibility of gravity waves. Einstein thought that they would be too impossibly weak if they actually do exist to ever be proven. But General Relativity says they can exist and we did sense their existence by measurement. Being an expert enough on General Relativity to be able to say it is wrong means you should know this history. You got 1 more day to answer my simple question which only has around a 1 sentence answer and for extra credit, around another 2-3 sentences describing what the effect is. Einstein knew exactly the effect I am describing and the proper term of whats going on has been used in numerous scientific papers on the subject as such a a student of spacetime should know. Good luck Mr. General Relativity is not real... |
| BrianHG:
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 26, 2023, 01:41:48 am ---Re LIGO. LIGO is a fake-fraud. There has not been much happening at LIGO lately -- wonder why? As more LIGOs are made we will see that they all prove that GWs dont exist. This will be funny. Karnt wait. --- End quote --- The Neutron star merger gravity waves were seen and given an approximate location in the sky by LIGO. Optical telescopes saw the fading glow of a neutron star collision in the targeted location of the sky. The visual sight of that collision pretty much sealed the deal with LIGO's observation being real. Also, yes, the gravity waves and the speed of the deteriorating orbit that LIGO observes does reveal the mass of the colliding objects. You should know this Mr. I understand General Relativity so well to be able to say it is false, as GR allows you to back-calculate the mass of orbiting massive objects through the ramp speed of their decaying orbit. Again, I'm off for the night and lets see if you can still answer my question by tomorrow night. |
| aetherist:
--- Quote from: BrianHG on January 26, 2023, 01:57:13 am ---Wrong. Just because Einstein didn't believe in black holes even though it was brought to his attention that his theory predicted them doesn't mean they still aren't real or don't exist just because Einstein said they are not real. The issue here is General Relativity right or wrong. More is known about GR today than Einstein could have foreseen in his day. Just like black holes, Einstein was told that his theory predicts the possibility of gravity waves. Einstein thought that they would be too impossibly weak if they actually do exist to ever be proven. But General Relativity says they can exist and we did sense their existence by measurement. Being an expert enough on General Relativity to be able to say it is wrong means you should know this history. You got 1 more day to answer my simple question which only has around a 1 sentence answer and for extra credit, around another 2-3 sentences describing what the effect is. Einstein knew exactly the effect I am describing and the proper term of whats going on has been used in numerous scientific papers on the subject as such a a student of spacetime should know. Good luck Mr. General Relativity is not real... --- End quote --- My apology to Circlotron for polluting his thread – but this Einsteinian stuff duz or might affect his Circlotron-X. I am a bit puzzled – u ask me to name a force – or praps it is an effect. I am starting to think that u are talking about the conversion of mass to energy. Or something related to that. That is an interesting topic. The fundamental particle is the photon – photons exist in at least 7 possible states – free photons (eg light) – electons (semi confined photons on the surface of good conductors)(electons make electricity) – free electrons (photons that have formed loops by biting their own tails) – fully confined electrons (electons that hug a nucleus instead of a surface)(orbiting electons)(orbiting electons have wrongly been called electrons) – protons (electons that have formed a very tight loop or figure 8 or something) – exotic particles (electons that have formed exotic loops) -- neutrinos (free photons that have formed a pair sharing the same axis but 180 deg out of phase). When matter disintegrates the confined photons change & bekum free photons. There is no release/emission of gravity waves -- & in any case gravity waves do not have intrinsic energy (but here i am talking about Newtonian gravity waves, that do exist)(a different animal to LIGO GWs). There is no release of any free energy – free energy duznt exist. There is not necessarily any conversion of mass to energy -- & if there is a kind of conversion of mass to energy then it duz not necessarily accord with E equals mcc. |
| BrianHG:
--- Quote from: aetherist on January 26, 2023, 02:27:06 am --- --- Quote from: BrianHG on January 26, 2023, 01:57:13 am ---Wrong. Just because Einstein didn't believe in black holes even though it was brought to his attention that his theory predicted them doesn't mean they still aren't real or don't exist just because Einstein said they are not real. The issue here is General Relativity right or wrong. More is known about GR today than Einstein could have foreseen in his day. Just like black holes, Einstein was told that his theory predicts the possibility of gravity waves. Einstein thought that they would be too impossibly weak if they actually do exist to ever be proven. But General Relativity says they can exist and we did sense their existence by measurement. Being an expert enough on General Relativity to be able to say it is wrong means you should know this history. You got 1 more day to answer my simple question which only has around a 1 sentence answer and for extra credit, around another 2-3 sentences describing what the effect is. Einstein knew exactly the effect I am describing and the proper term of whats going on has been used in numerous scientific papers on the subject as such a a student of spacetime should know. Good luck Mr. General Relativity is not real... --- End quote --- My apology to Circlotron for polluting his thread – but this Einsteinian stuff duz or might affect his Circlotron-X. I am a bit puzzled – u ask me to name a force – or praps it is an effect. I am starting to think that u are talking about the conversion of mass to energy. Or something related to that. That is an interesting topic. The fundamental particle is the photon – photons exist in at least 7 possible states – free photons (eg light) – electons (semi confined photons on the surface of good conductors)(electons make electricity) – free electrons (photons that have formed loops by biting their own tails) – fully confined electrons (electons that hug a nucleus instead of a surface)(orbiting electons)(orbiting electons have wrongly been called electrons) – protons (electons that have formed a very tight loop or figure 8 or something) – exotic particles (electons that have formed exotic loops) -- neutrinos (free photons that have formed a pair sharing the same axis but 180 deg out of phase). When matter disintegrates the confined photons change & bekum free photons. There is no release of any free energy – free energy duznt exist. There is not necessarily any conversion of mass to energy -- & if there is a kind of conversion of mass to energy then it duz not necessarily accord with E equals mcc. --- End quote --- Wrong, Wrong, Wrong... Just answer my question. What is the name given to the GR effect which causes the orbits to decay causing neutron stars and black holes to merge. I don't care if you think it is real or not. Or, what you think is causing the effect. For you to know it is not real, such a general effect of GR, you need to know what's the given name of the effect. Otherwise you do not know what GR is or how it is intended to work, so you cannot say GR is wrong. |
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