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djvu is better than pdf because the software doesnt suck!
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nctnico:

--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on August 24, 2023, 03:03:45 pm ---Meh, if it was people would still complain. Take any programming language as an example.

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Or even better: PCB design software. I don't think there is any kind of software for which there are so many different packages as for doing PCB design. And they all work different with people loving and hating each package for a good reason.
David Hess:
I have been using SumatraPDF, and before that Foxit, for viewing and printing PDF files.
ELS122:

--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on August 24, 2023, 03:03:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:46:37 am ---djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the best

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There is some pretty good programs for PDF, acrobat will be hated just because its the market leader.


--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:46:37 am ---I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.

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Well PDF was the right format at the right time so they have the market share. Sorry but 99% of computers have the ability to read PDF where as djvu is just another format trying to get into a market already covered.


--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:46:37 am ---Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.

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Meh, if it was people would still complain. Take any programming language as an example.

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Nooo, Acrobat reader is hated because it's borderline unusable, if you've ever attempted to use it, you immidietly get why it's hated.
And I don't know anyone who uses it, Firefox has a PDF reader built in that I use.
Well windows 7 for sure doesn't have any built in pdf reader.
reading the wiki page for djvu, it appeared ages ago. And apparently the compression is more efficient than pdf

People do complain about acrobat, then when they swap to like the built in browser pdf reader which actually works, they are silent because it's so much better than acrobat that you ignore it's own shortcomings

Do any of these suggested pdf readers have a DRM feature? I've heard that pdf's can have DRM added and that causes some problems if your reader supports it.
And also, there for sure isn't any good pdf reader plugin for firefox, the built in one is pretty much the best but that lacks features.

SumatraPDF doesnt have page export.
Okular only can be downloaded on the windows store.
XChange editor looks super sketch, and since there's a buy option, I presume it's gonna be like "you've reached the limit of the daily pdf views" or "want to zoom in? pay only 9.99 a month to get EVERY feature"
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 24, 2023, 10:38:51 am ---
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:46:37 am ---djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the best
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.


And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.

I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.


Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.

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The problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.

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Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
themadhippy:
How quaint,having to install 3rd party software to read and print pdf's.
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