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djvu is better than pdf because the software doesnt suck!
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ELS122:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 24, 2023, 10:00:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 24, 2023, 10:38:51 am ---
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:46:37 am ---djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the best
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.


And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.

I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.


Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.

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The problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.

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Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.

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It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.
Karel:

--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 10:33:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 24, 2023, 10:00:24 pm ---Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.

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It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.

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As what? PDF or plain text?
For manipulating pdf (extracting or concatenating pages of one or more documents) use PDFtk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFtk?useskin=vector


--- Code: ---pdftk input.pdf cat 152 output output.pdf

152 = pagenumber

pdftk input.pdf cat 152-168 output output.pdf

152-168 = page range

pdftk input.pdf cat 150 145 152 output output.pdf

only pages 150, 145 and 152

pdftk input.pdf cat 10-20~15 25 output output.pdf

only pages 10 to 20 and 25 but not 15

rotate clockwise:

pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endeast output output.pdf

rotate anti-clockwise:

pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endwest output output.pdf

--- End code ---

If you want to select and save one page as text in Okular, go to Edit -> Select all text on current page and paste it into
whatever you like.

ELS122:

--- Quote from: Karel on August 25, 2023, 06:33:30 am ---
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 10:33:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 24, 2023, 10:00:24 pm ---Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.

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It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.

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As what? PDF or plain text?
For manipulating pdf (extracting or concatenating pages of one or more documents) use PDFtk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFtk?useskin=vector


--- Code: ---pdftk input.pdf cat 152 output output.pdf

152 = pagenumber

pdftk input.pdf cat 152-168 output output.pdf

152-168 = page range

pdftk input.pdf cat 150 145 152 output output.pdf

only pages 150, 145 and 152

pdftk input.pdf cat 10-20~15 25 output output.pdf

only pages 10 to 20 and 25 but not 15

rotate clockwise:

pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endeast output output.pdf

rotate anti-clockwise:

pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endwest output output.pdf

--- End code ---

If you want to select and save one page as text in Okular, go to Edit -> Select all text on current page and paste it into
whatever you like.

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Oh so you're saying pdf doesnt have worse software because I can use yet another command line program to extract pages, something which djvuviewer has built in?
I don't know anyone who would want to use a program to view the file, then a different command line tool to extract a page. Over being able to do both with one program.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---XChange editor looks super sketch, and since there's a buy option, I presume it's gonna be like "you've reached the limit of the daily pdf views" or "want to zoom in? pay only 9.99 a month to get EVERY feature"
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If you bother to check that page you will see that the free version, after the evaluation period, is fully functional but adds a watermark. For reading that's a non-issue.

Support is good. I use it for copy editing and the stamp feature is much better that any of the other editor/readers I've looked at, which is good because stamps are 90% of the work in that scenario. There is one aspect of stamps that gets up my nose, but even my SO (for whom I subcontract) doesn't notice it so it's a very niche issue. Nevertheless, I contacted support and (after being kept informed on progress) it is apparently fixed in the next release. Since I expected the usual first line brushoff, I am impressed with both the speed of response and ownership of the ticket.
Karel:

--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 25, 2023, 07:05:12 am ---Oh so you're saying pdf doesnt have worse software because I can use yet another command line program to extract pages, something which djvuviewer has built in?
I don't know anyone who would want to use a program to view the file, then a different command line tool to extract a page. Over being able to do both with one program.

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Using the commandline is faster and lowers the risk of rsi.
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