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djvu is better than pdf because the software doesnt suck!
ELS122:
--- Quote from: Karel on August 25, 2023, 07:56:25 am ---
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 25, 2023, 07:05:12 am ---Oh so you're saying pdf doesnt have worse software because I can use yet another command line program to extract pages, something which djvuviewer has built in?
I don't know anyone who would want to use a program to view the file, then a different command line tool to extract a page. Over being able to do both with one program.
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Using the commandline is faster and lowers the risk of rsi.
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Well at that point I'll just use a command line interface for this forum. lowers the risk of seeing an incomplete html load. ;D
Gyro:
99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution. Get over it. You can have the best djvu reader in the world, but that means nothing.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution
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This is the crux of it - it's a done deal. Send a djvu document and 99.9% of people will reply saying either the file is corrupt or can you send it in a proper format. No-one has to think about how to deal with pdf.
As a similar example, look at zip vs rar and any other 'better' compression. If djvu is compelling (and the format has to be, not a single instance of a client) then perhaps in 10 years it will be where rar is now compared to zip.
mendip_discovery:
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:05 pm ---Nooo, Acrobat reader is hated because it's borderline unusable, if you've ever attempted to use it, you immidietly get why it's hated.
And I don't know anyone who uses it, Firefox has a PDF reader built in that I use.
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I don't hate it, I have used it since getting windows '95. For the past 20 years I have had Acrobat, not just the reader. There are shittier programs out there.
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:05 pm ---Well windows 7 for sure doesn't have any built in pdf reader.
Doesn't Edge offer to read PDF. But its not a real issue as a there are plenty of readers out there.
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:05 pm ---reading the wiki page for djvu, it appeared ages ago. And apparently the compression is more efficient than pdf
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PDF wasn't designed around compression it was designed to solve a different issue. I could take a PDF and put it through some file compression programs to get a smaller file but its not always practical.
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:05 pm ---People do complain about acrobat, then when they swap to like the built in browser pdf reader which actually works, they are silent because it's so much better than acrobat that you ignore it's own shortcomings
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I get frustrated regularly by the browser implemented file viewers. Many of them don't support the file properly so you end up not being able to Fill out form style PDFs or even add a signature.
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:05 pm ---Do any of these suggested pdf readers have a DRM feature? I've heard that pdf's can have DRM added and that causes some problems if your reader supports it.
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Yes but it was more to just protect documents from being edited before going into print, some of it was also to prevent people from printing unauthorised copies. Won't stop someone who really wants to copy it but it prevented basic errors.
I know I had to install a DRM plugin for some documents and they are just annoying.
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:05 pm ---And also, there for sure isn't any good pdf reader plugin for firefox, the built in one is pretty much the best but that lacks features.
SumatraPDF doesnt have page export.
Okular only can be downloaded on the windows store.
XChange editor looks super sketch, and since there's a buy option, I presume it's gonna be like "you've reached the limit of the daily pdf views" or "want to zoom in? pay only 9.99 a month to get EVERY feature"
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TBH Vi is the best and there is no reason to use anything else. I just get a feeling you are a bit of a shill, but you are welcome to disagree with me. PDF just works and is supported by most systems and can be used by many programs to do stuff.
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coppice:
--- Quote from: Gyro on August 25, 2023, 08:55:46 am ---99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution. Get over it. You can have the best djvu reader in the world, but that means nothing.
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The most interesting aspect of this thread is it reminded me that djvu exists. I haven't seen a thing about it for years.
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