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djvu is better than pdf because the software doesnt suck!

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TimFox:
Coincidence: today's obituary
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/21/business/adobe-cofounder-john-warnock-death/index.html

mwb1100:
Firefox acts as a very nice PDF reader (probably other browsers too).  I also like STDU Viewer, a free reader with a nice tabbed document interface, no nags.  The only shortcoming is that it crashes more often than I like (but infrequently enough that I still use it most of the time).  It's no longer developed/maintained so the crashes will never be addressed.

The tabbed doc UI is what made me move to it so many years ago.

STDU handles several other document formats (including djvu - so this post is actually on topic), but I don't know how well it handles them since I'm pretty much PDF-only.

PlainName:
STDU Viewer seemed nice on a quick look, but fails to open pdf files created on my Boox Note Air. Other clients open them, though.

ELS122:

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--- Quote from: Gyro on August 25, 2023, 08:55:46 am ---99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution. Get over it. You can have the best djvu reader in the world, but that means nothing.

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The most interesting aspect of this thread is it reminded me that djvu exists. I haven't seen a thing about it for years.

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Finally someone understands the point I'm making.

DjVuViewer is an amazingly thought out program, and I just wish it was the same for pdf viewers, or other software.
I guess MediaInfo and Notepad++ I could also put on the "great software" list, but that's like putting bread on a list of great foods, its so simple it's hard to get it wrong.
With those 3, it's so intuitive, you shouldnt even bother writing up instructions how to use the programs. Meanwhile something like acrobat, audacity for that matter, or I guess foobar2000 has a lot worse UI, you don't just automatically understand how the program works. And that's my problem with other software.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 10:33:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 24, 2023, 10:00:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 24, 2023, 10:38:51 am ---
--- Quote from: ELS122 on August 24, 2023, 09:46:37 am ---djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the best
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.


And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.

I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.

Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.

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The problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.

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Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.

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It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.

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I'm not sure I understood your point. Can you elaborate on what you want to achieve?
Do you mean you like to be able to save individual pages? (Like, say, saving one or a number of pages of a given PDF to a PDF file?)
In that case, no, it doesn't allow you to do this as far as I've looked.
But you can always use a virtual PDF printer to achieve the same result. So, yeah. Or use a PDF editor (not viewer), as doing this is more in the editing category.

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