djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the bestThe problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.
And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.
I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.
Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.
The problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux.
The problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.Okular also has its issues, but its developers are very responsive. I came across a few issues with Okular a few years ago, reported them, and days later they were resolved. I still use Okular. I haven't found anything better, as long as you aren't doing form filling.
QuoteThe problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux.
Actually, the problem is likely the use of Acrobat rather than the OS. There are many alternative PDF clients for Windows that are good as well, you know. (Although, apparently you don't.)
djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the best
I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.
Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.
Meh, if it was people would still complain. Take any programming language as an example.Or even better: PCB design software. I don't think there is any kind of software for which there are so many different packages as for doing PCB design. And they all work different with people loving and hating each package for a good reason.
djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the best
There is some pretty good programs for PDF, acrobat will be hated just because its the market leader.I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.
Well PDF was the right format at the right time so they have the market share. Sorry but 99% of computers have the ability to read PDF where as djvu is just another format trying to get into a market already covered.Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.
Meh, if it was people would still complain. Take any programming language as an example.
djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the bestThe problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.
And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.
I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.
Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.
djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the bestThe problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.
And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.
I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.
Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.
pdftk input.pdf cat 152 output output.pdf
152 = pagenumber
pdftk input.pdf cat 152-168 output output.pdf
152-168 = page range
pdftk input.pdf cat 150 145 152 output output.pdf
only pages 150, 145 and 152
pdftk input.pdf cat 10-20~15 25 output output.pdf
only pages 10 to 20 and 25 but not 15
rotate clockwise:
pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endeast output output.pdf
rotate anti-clockwise:
pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endwest output output.pdf
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.
As what? PDF or plain text?
For manipulating pdf (extracting or concatenating pages of one or more documents) use PDFtk:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFtk?useskin=vector (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFtk?useskin=vector)Code: [Select]pdftk input.pdf cat 152 output output.pdf
152 = pagenumber
pdftk input.pdf cat 152-168 output output.pdf
152-168 = page range
pdftk input.pdf cat 150 145 152 output output.pdf
only pages 150, 145 and 152
pdftk input.pdf cat 10-20~15 25 output output.pdf
only pages 10 to 20 and 25 but not 15
rotate clockwise:
pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endeast output output.pdf
rotate anti-clockwise:
pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endwest output output.pdf
If you want to select and save one page as text in Okular, go to Edit -> Select all text on current page and paste it into
whatever you like.
XChange editor looks super sketch, and since there's a buy option, I presume it's gonna be like "you've reached the limit of the daily pdf views" or "want to zoom in? pay only 9.99 a month to get EVERY feature"
Oh so you're saying pdf doesnt have worse software because I can use yet another command line program to extract pages, something which djvuviewer has built in?
I don't know anyone who would want to use a program to view the file, then a different command line tool to extract a page. Over being able to do both with one program.
Oh so you're saying pdf doesnt have worse software because I can use yet another command line program to extract pages, something which djvuviewer has built in?
I don't know anyone who would want to use a program to view the file, then a different command line tool to extract a page. Over being able to do both with one program.
Using the commandline is faster and lowers the risk of rsi.
99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution
Nooo, Acrobat reader is hated because it's borderline unusable, if you've ever attempted to use it, you immidietly get why it's hated.
And I don't know anyone who uses it, Firefox has a PDF reader built in that I use.
Well windows 7 for sure doesn't have any built in pdf reader.
Doesn't Edge offer to read PDF. But its not a real issue as a there are plenty of readers out there.reading the wiki page for djvu, it appeared ages ago. And apparently the compression is more efficient than pdf
PDF wasn't designed around compression it was designed to solve a different issue. I could take a PDF and put it through some file compression programs to get a smaller file but its not always practical.People do complain about acrobat, then when they swap to like the built in browser pdf reader which actually works, they are silent because it's so much better than acrobat that you ignore it's own shortcomings
I get frustrated regularly by the browser implemented file viewers. Many of them don't support the file properly so you end up not being able to Fill out form style PDFs or even add a signature.Do any of these suggested pdf readers have a DRM feature? I've heard that pdf's can have DRM added and that causes some problems if your reader supports it.
Yes but it was more to just protect documents from being edited before going into print, some of it was also to prevent people from printing unauthorised copies. Won't stop someone who really wants to copy it but it prevented basic errors.
I know I had to install a DRM plugin for some documents and they are just annoying.And also, there for sure isn't any good pdf reader plugin for firefox, the built in one is pretty much the best but that lacks features.
SumatraPDF doesnt have page export.
Okular only can be downloaded on the windows store.
XChange editor looks super sketch, and since there's a buy option, I presume it's gonna be like "you've reached the limit of the daily pdf views" or "want to zoom in? pay only 9.99 a month to get EVERY feature"
TBH Vi is the best and there is no reason to use anything else. I just get a feeling you are a bit of a shill, but you are welcome to disagree with me. PDF just works and is supported by most systems and can be used by many programs to do stuff.
99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution. Get over it. You can have the best djvu reader in the world, but that means nothing.The most interesting aspect of this thread is it reminded me that djvu exists. I haven't seen a thing about it for years.
99% of the world uses PDF for document distribution. Get over it. You can have the best djvu reader in the world, but that means nothing.The most interesting aspect of this thread is it reminded me that djvu exists. I haven't seen a thing about it for years.
djvu is awesome! main reason: WinDJView, software to read djvu files is incredible, it's the bestThe problem isn't PDF, the problem is that you aren't using Linux. The Okular PDF reader (just to give 1 example out of many PDF readers available for Linux) can do all the things you mention.
0 fuss, very intuitive UI, every thing you would want can be done in the settings.
Lightning fast zoom, no problems with it taking years to load a single page after you zoomed in like you often do with pdfs. You also get buttons to fit the page vertically or horizontally
All the modes like side-by-side are right there at the top, no need to go into a menu
"Back" button
Also a select tool, crop out a part and export it as high resolution png or whatever, Or zoom into it, Or highlight it, Or add a bookmark, Or copy it ofc.
And recently I was looking at a djvu file and I wanted to like screenshot the page, out of curiosity I right clicked, and guess what prompt there was... "Export page...", exporting the page in high resolution as a png or gif or jpeg, etc. There's also "page information" which shows details about what images are on the page in what resolution.
I mean you don't get anything like this with pdf's... too bad it's not very common to find djvu files.
Such a shame most software isn't thought out and user friendly like this is, the world would truly be a better place if everything was like that.
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
It does have a feature that you can select and save, but not for the whole page.
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
Thanks for this pointer! Works great for me so far and it supports tabbed documents. For some reason I didn't think it did.
I guess MediaInfo and Notepad++ I could also put on the "great software" list, but that's like putting bread on a list of great foods, its so simple it's hard to get it wrong.
I guess MediaInfo and Notepad++ I could also put on the "great software" list, but that's like putting bread on a list of great foods, its so simple it's hard to get it wrong.Huh? Have you seen notepad? You really think its hard to get something like that wrong? I know its from MS, where the key expertise is crappy software, but still. Most of the world's editors are extremely annoying. The scintilla editor behind notepad++ is pretty well thought out.
I guess MediaInfo and Notepad++ I could also put on the "great software" list, but that's like putting bread on a list of great foods, its so simple it's hard to get it wrong.
Regarding Notepad++, I prefer Kate:
https://kate-editor.org/ (https://kate-editor.org/)
Must admit one of the things i missed the most when jumping to linux was paint.
MS paint has so little features it's almost useless to use it, other than drawing basic stuff. Less versatile than paperbog standard,as included since windows 2.0 ms paint,simple and great for a quick sketch with the added advantage you can attach the image to a document without digging out your scanner.It was also handy for removing the tags on digital camera pictures.
I think it's open source tho so you could just fix the UI problems.
I think it's open source tho so you could just fix the UI problems.
Indeed. Couple of hours and job's a good 'un.
And yet... no-one who has agreed the UI is crap has actually attempted that, never mind managed to do it. Perhaps none of them has realised it's open source and therefore a piece of cake to fix.
WindowsWindows 10 LTSC Enterprise 2019 does not have an appstore and I have no intentions of ever installing that rubbish.
The Microsoft Store is the recommended place to install Okular, the version there has been tested by our developers and the Microsoft Store :bullshit: provides seamless updates when new versions are released. If for some strange reason you can't use the Microsoft Store you can try the stable version from release nightly build. :-+ There are also experimental nightly builds, for which testing and bug reports would be welcome.
Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)Thank you.
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
https://okular.kde.org/download/QuoteWindowsWindows 10 LTSC Enterprise 2019 does not have an appstore and I have no intentions of ever installing that rubbish.
The Microsoft Store is the recommended place to install Okular, the version there has been tested by our developers and the Microsoft Store :bullshit: provides seamless updates when new versions are released. If for some strange reason you can't use the Microsoft Store you can try the stable version from release nightly build. :-+ There are also experimental nightly builds, for which testing and bug reports would be welcome.Okular is available on Windows (I think I already gave a link before, but they've changed things around a bit.)Thank you.
https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/Okular_Release_win64/lastStableBuild/artifact/
Works plenty fine on Windows.
I miss Paint Shop Pro. It's always GIMP you get with Linux, which is about 10x more complicated than I need.I'm still using PSP7.04; I don't know any other program able to open a 40MB TIFF for edit under 1s...
Anti-malware creates more problems than it resolves.
They are not effective, very unreliable, consume resources, slowdown your pc and can mess things up.
The biggest virus is the person in front of the pc...
In 5 years I've been running the same OS install I haven't gotten any malware, I have 0 anti-malware programs installed, I just periodically install a free version of malwarebytes and do a full scan (and every time it shows 0 malware detected)
Anti-malware creates more problems than it resolves.
They are not effective, very unreliable, consume resources, slowdown your pc and can mess things up.
The biggest virus is the person in front of the pc...
In 5 years I've been running the same OS install I haven't gotten any malware, I have 0 anti-malware programs installed, I just periodically install a free version of malwarebytes and do a full scan (and every time it shows 0 malware detected)
I believe most windows pc's are infected in one way or another, we just don't know it:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/security/uefi-rootkits/msg4327426/#msg4327426 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/security/uefi-rootkits/msg4327426/#msg4327426)
Anti-malware creates more problems than it resolves.
They are not effective, very unreliable, consume resources, slowdown your pc and can mess things up.
The biggest virus is the person in front of the pc...
It's like seatbelts and crash helmets - pain in the arse and a drag, and if you're a careful drive you might think you don't really need them. But we are human and can unintentionally screw up in a major way. These things are intended to be the last change to deal with an issue after the human has failed to avert it.
Malware on computers is a real thing. I am careful and circumspect about what I allow on my PC and where I visit, and yet I've sometimes narrowly escaped being scammed or running dodgy shit. In fact, I have run dodgy shit but it was on my phone where there is no backstop.
In 5 years I've been running the same OS install I haven't gotten any malware, I have 0 anti-malware programs installed, I just periodically install a free version of malwarebytes and do a full scan (and every time it shows 0 malware detected)
I believe most windows pc's are infected in one way or another, we just don't know it:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/security/uefi-rootkits/msg4327426/#msg4327426 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/security/uefi-rootkits/msg4327426/#msg4327426)
Yeah but you with your super secure super insanely good it's super easy to switch from windows - distro aren't safe from that either. How about the proprietary firmware that's installed on all intel cpu's since like 2009 and amd cpus since like 2014 iirc.
Or the rootkits in some brand of motherboard for a good while.
Or if you're on a laptop, those are filled with code running that you didn't ask for.
And if you have a huwawei laptop, why are you even talking about security??
In 5 years I've been running the same OS install I haven't gotten any malware, I have 0 anti-malware programs installed, I just periodically install a free version of malwarebytes and do a full scan (and every time it shows 0 malware detected)
I believe most windows pc's are infected in one way or another, we just don't know it:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/security/uefi-rootkits/msg4327426/#msg4327426 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/security/uefi-rootkits/msg4327426/#msg4327426)
Yeah but you with your super secure super insanely good it's super easy to switch from windows - distro aren't safe from that either. How about the proprietary firmware that's installed on all intel cpu's since like 2009 and amd cpus since like 2014 iirc.
Or the rootkits in some brand of motherboard for a good while.
Or if you're on a laptop, those are filled with code running that you didn't ask for.
And if you have a huwawei laptop, why are you even talking about security??
Y'all are thinking way too clever. All it takes is one innocuous app that just takes a look around and deletes any data it finds. Doesn't matter if you never run as root - just the data it can find for you, as a humble user, would be bad news if it got deleted. Or, worse, corrupted so you don't notice until you next take a look at it.