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Do *you* pronounce the L in SOLDER ? (In the USA?)
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tooki:

--- Quote from: IanB on December 21, 2022, 04:04:58 am ---
--- Quote from: TimFox on December 21, 2022, 03:28:05 am ---Even in American English, there is a pronunciation difference between "calm" and "cam".

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That makes me think of the "Mary", "marry", "merry" convergence, and wonder if there is any part of America where calm and cam sound the same?

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I don’t think so.

“Calm” vs “cahm” is one thing (presence or absence of L, but same vowel), while “cam” has a different vowel.
tooki:

--- Quote from: jpanhalt on December 21, 2022, 05:44:57 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on December 21, 2022, 04:04:58 am ---That makes me think of the "Mary", "marry", "merry" convergence, and wonder if there is any part of America where calm and cam sound the same?

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Try the deep South.  They insert "r's" almost randomly.  My mom pronounced "Eva" as "E ver" (long e) so calm and cam might be pronounced carm and carm, respectively.  She moved in 1945 to LA after he was discharged, but never completely lost that accent.

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The “Mary”/“marry”/“merry” convergence isn’t about the R, it’s about the vowel.

Linguistic processes are basically never random. R insertion is common in non-rhotic dialects of English (in USA, that’s just the south and New England, but it’s most of the UK, and in Aus/NZ): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linking_and_intrusive_R

The “intrusive R” (like in “Warshington”) in rhotic English is best known in the Midlands (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, and Missouri) dialect, and the Midatlantic (Maryland, Delaware, Philadelphia) dialect.
pdenisowski:

--- Quote from: jpanhalt on December 21, 2022, 05:44:57 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on December 21, 2022, 04:04:58 am ---That makes me think of the "Mary", "marry", "merry" convergence, and wonder if there is any part of America where calm and cam sound the same?

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Try the deep South.

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I've lived in the Carolinas almost my entire life and if anything, I would say the difference between "calm" and "cam" is even greater here than in other parts of the United States (due to the "twang", i.e. nasalization, in "cam")
pdenisowski:

--- Quote from: IanB on December 21, 2022, 01:01:52 am ---Ever since ARM was first founded in the UK I've heard it pronounced "arm". I have never heard anyone say "A.R.M.". Make of that what you will.

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Wondering if I should start another thread just to discuss the pronunciation of VSWR  :)   I have always pronounced this as "viz-wahr" but have received ... passionate ... feedback that it should be sounded out letter by letter: V.S.W.R.  I would say at least 90% of my R&S co-workers and customers pronounce this "viz-wahr"

I like to point out that when you say "VSWR" dozens of times a day, those extra 4 syllables start to make a difference:  viz-wahr (2) vs. vee-ess-doub-ble-you-are (6)  :-DD
Circlotron:
This thread is putting me to sleep. Gotta catch some zeds.  :=\
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