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Do you have a physical mailbox at your house?

Yes, I receive mail to it all the time.
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Yes, but I hardly ever use it.
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No, it serves little/no purpose for me.
2 (2.3%)
I wish I had one but it keeps getting blown up/damaged/stolen.
0 (0%)

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Offline james_s

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2023, 05:59:08 pm »
The new piss-off for me as far as postage goes is on-line sellers who are unwilling to send to a po-box in Australia, not understanding that despite the size of the box, it's available space and indeed the size of the parcel, the post office will deal with it accordingly. Unlike other countries.

Here only USPS can deliver to PO boxes, even curbside mailboxes which by some odd quirk are legally property of the postal service even though they are typically homeowner purchased and installed. UPS, Fedex, etc are legally forbidden to deliver to a PO box or mailbox.
 

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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2023, 06:58:47 pm »
The new piss-off for me as far as postage goes is on-line sellers who are unwilling to send to a po-box in Australia, not understanding that despite the size of the box, it's available space and indeed the size of the parcel, the post office will deal with it accordingly. Unlike other countries.

Here only USPS can deliver to PO boxes, even curbside mailboxes which by some odd quirk are legally property of the postal service even though they are typically homeowner purchased and installed. UPS, Fedex, etc are legally forbidden to deliver to a PO box or mailbox.

Yes, it's similar over here.

Oddly enough (given the amount of goods we now buy online), there aren't that many services yet, widely available everywhere, to act as more general  "PO boxes" where people can have their orders shipped to, for all carriers, and that are secure enough. I think the market is definitely there.

What has exploded though are local shops providing this service, but I don't find that very secure. Many even don't ask for an ID when you go get your parcels.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2023, 07:14:27 pm »
This must be very location specific. 

I have a box, about 3/4 kilometer (notice the clever use of fraction units in the metric system) down the road on a stand with all the other neighbors boxes.  The USPS provides email notification of first class letters upon request.  There are a couple of larger lockers adjacent and the postman places larger packages there and leaves the key in our box.  If the box doesn't fit the lockers, or if there are more large deliveries than lockers the postman will usually drive to our house and leave the package on the doorstep (along with the days letter mail).   All of this service is free.  There has been an upturn in mail theft in this area, so ours is a locking type that allows insertion of letters and small packages but requires a key for removal.  About two years ago all of the non locking boxes on our stand were pilfered, and whoever it was left a fine clear fingerprint on ours as he/she attempted unsuccessfully to get ours.  Once upon a time mail theft was so seriously pursued by the postal police that it was a rare crime.  Apparently not so much anymore. 

I see no benefit to using a PO box.  I would have to pay the fees for the PO box, and periodically have to make a 10 km trip to the location for the box.  Or use a closer one (about 3 km) that has a very sketchy reputation on social media for reliability.  In this country a PO box is not a defense against junk mail.  While junk mail will not be forwarded to a PO box, it takes the purveyors of this trash very little time to find out where to find you, as I discovered when using a PO box during a temporary relocation.  I am sure this is one of the "benefits" of big data.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2023, 12:30:09 pm »
Our system is now quite a bit different than it used to be.
Actual post offices are gone and agents are now the norm.
My case is now better since agent is 24/7 major Shell.
They will also collect all leftover packets of their system.
Postal services are not 24/7 though, they do few hours of system updates some time after midnight or so.
(beer is also not available from 21 to 09, it should go so that what you're carrying when the bell rings is legit but cash registers are what do the real counting)

Other systems have packet automates and door to door deliveries, the Post also of course.

All this means that giving a phone number to sender is a must.
Later you'll get a text with an automat code, or a packet ID if agent has it.
I'm not sure but I think the packet card is history, so no phone no delivery.
Customs is also texting so real number is better.
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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2023, 11:51:29 pm »
Yes I have a mailbox on my house, I get a lot of mail, mostly junk but odd more important thing too.   At one point our government was trying to end door to door delivery and you'd have to go get your mail at a community mailbox but they backed out of that decision.   They were not accounting for elderly or disabled people who may not be able to trek through snow to get to these mailboxes, and theft is also a very bad issue so these would get damaged all the time from people stealing mail etc.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2023, 12:37:23 am »
I have a box, about 3/4 kilometer (notice the clever use of fraction units in the metric system) down the road on a stand with all the other neighbors boxes.  The USPS provides email notification of first class letters upon request.  There are a couple of larger lockers adjacent and the postman places larger packages there and leaves the key in our box.  If the box doesn't fit the lockers, or if there are more large deliveries than lockers the postman will usually drive to our house and leave the package on the doorstep (along with the days letter mail). All of this service is free.
Who provides and maintains the extra lockers/boxes with keys? "free" is a wobbly term.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2023, 02:46:50 am »
I have a box, about 3/4 kilometer (notice the clever use of fraction units in the metric system) down the road on a stand with all the other neighbors boxes.  The USPS provides email notification of first class letters upon request.  There are a couple of larger lockers adjacent and the postman places larger packages there and leaves the key in our box.  If the box doesn't fit the lockers, or if there are more large deliveries than lockers the postman will usually drive to our house and leave the package on the doorstep (along with the days letter mail). All of this service is free.
Who provides and maintains the extra lockers/boxes with keys? "free" is a wobbly term.

I agree, and I don't know.  They were here when I moved in.  I can think of a couple possibilities but don't have any facts.  As there are about twenty mail boxes it would have been a moderate cost for a collective of the patrons.  On par with a year of PO box charges.
 
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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2023, 06:15:02 am »
Maybe your mailbox is owned by USPS?

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-a-Cluster-Box

We have the same thing in Canada. Community mailboxes (AKA super mailboxes) are deployed in new housing developments instead of door-to-door delivery. They're less expensive to operate due to reduced labour. Of course, they are less convenient for the residents.

Canada Post started to convert all addresses to community mailboxes, but public outcry turned into an election promise which halted the program. My home address was converted. They did not convert it back.

From google image search, it looks like USPS and Canada Post use the same mailbox hardware. In addition to the individual mailboxes and lockers, there is an outgoing mail slot. If you have a parcel, you will find a key for the locker in your own mailbox. After retrieving the parcel, you return the key by putting it in the outgoing mail slot.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2023, 07:26:42 am »
That kind of mailbox set up is the same as what is used at this apartment complex. Except they stopped using the separate large parcel boxes about 10 years ago (where they would leave the key in your box) and just started leaving them at your door.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2023, 02:30:53 pm »
just an idea-
in 2012 I did look at the typical physical mailbox for receiving mail.
the problems- mail theft, wet or soggy mail , lost mail , over size mail. stuffed into a narrow insertion slot.
concluded this can be resolved with the same typical technology as used in other household appliances.
a physical manual use mailbox can be made automatic by adding motorized rollers top and bottom of the mail insertion slot.
giving the insertion slot added width , opening like jaws.  the bottom spring loaded motorized roller jaw drops down. 
working like a shoe box sized wall safe, all mail inserted into the slot  would be automatically pulled 100% into the physical mailbox.
avoiding wet or soggy mail ,or theft. provides you with mail notification on phone or sound inside your home.
in addition an automated physical mailbox can display the house number and have a CCTV added if needed.
solar powered if you have a long driveway. installed on the back of a door UK style , or anywhere in a wall.
face plate would be  15 x 15 cm - 10 x 10 "  and can be any style you like from stainless steel to artificial brick.

did experiment with an old computer case , some cut-down used printer rubber rollers, some DC motors back in 2012.
idea was shelved.  as this was a rental property.
Hobbyist with a basic knowledge of electronics
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2023, 08:06:37 pm »
Just a hole in the front door. The postman managed to use it this morning to deliver a tax bill, a payment advice and a small parcel.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2023, 04:34:43 am »
I have one at home AND a PO Box. The PO box is going at the end of this month - Australia Post is charging too much for stuff-all benefit to me. A waste of money. There is a paradigm that anyone who needs PO Box must have something to hide.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2023, 06:00:08 am »
Maybe your mailbox is owned by USPS?

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-a-Cluster-Box

We have the same thing in Canada. Community mailboxes (AKA super mailboxes) are deployed in new housing developments instead of door-to-door delivery. They're less expensive to operate due to reduced labour. Of course, they are less convenient for the residents.

Canada Post started to convert all addresses to community mailboxes, but public outcry turned into an election promise which halted the program. My home address was converted. They did not convert it back.

From google image search, it looks like USPS and Canada Post use the same mailbox hardware. In addition to the individual mailboxes and lockers, there is an outgoing mail slot. If you have a parcel, you will find a key for the locker in your own mailbox. After retrieving the parcel, you return the key by putting it in the outgoing mail slot.

In my case it is a hybrid.  The locker is a community box at the end of a row of privately owned boxes.  My box is one of the privately owned ones, but I get parcels delivered in the community box. 
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2023, 08:35:02 am »
I have one at home AND a PO Box. The PO box is going at the end of this month - Australia Post is charging too much for stuff-all benefit to me. A waste of money. There is a paradigm that anyone who needs PO Box must have something to hide.

I had a PO Box for many years primarily for business correspondence and even though I was able to claim it on the business it was becoming way too expensive, and also hassle to check every few days. The only thing it was handy for was when I moved houses but stayed in the same area, this meant I didn't need to notify many customers, suppliers or government agencies about a change of postal arrangements.

A funny and true story about our previous postman.
A few years ago I was standing in the kitchen looking out the window and noticed the postman off his bike and kneeling down in front of our letterbox, he was there for quite some time so I went and opened the front door and yelled "is everything okay", he replied " I think I put the wrong letter in your letterbox".   ::)

I grabbed my keys and went out and asked him "why didn't you just knock on the door and ask for it back", he then stood up and gave me a puzzled look and I noticed in his right hand a bent coat hanger with a blob of Blu-Tack stuck to the end.   :o 

At that point I was thinking to myself....really?, is this standard Australia Post issue?....I then realised that this explains why my mail keeps going missing and why I keep receiving mail from different streets, he has just confirmed my suspicions that he is a complete moron and probably illiterate to boot.   >:(

He then replied whilst proudly showing off his poorly engineered recovery implement "once we put it in the letterbox it is illegal for us to get it back out". Anyway, I opened the letterbox and gave him back next doors letter and then gave him an ear full about concerns for my mail going elsewhere.   ???

He apologised and I felt a bit sorry for him but later that day changed my view and reported the incident to Australia Post, they confirmed that he was commiting an offence by attempting to recover the letter in that manner. I never saw him again, but I did see more mail in our box from then on, addressed junk mail mostly.   >:D
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2023, 09:08:42 pm »
There is a paradigm that anyone who needs PO Box must have something to hide.

Sure. Protecting your privacy is having something to hide.  :popcorn:

If you have any kind of public exposure (such as a YT channel, a blog, whatever) and must publicly give a mail address for receiving parcels, a PO Box (or equivalent) is pretty much the only sane way of approaching it.

But just start a YT channel and give your personal address in the description box of all your videos. Let's see what happens! :-DD

Anyway, "Si vous n'avez rien à cacher, il ne faut pas avoir peur!" :popcorn:
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2023, 09:41:10 pm »
This must be very location specific. 

I have a box, about 3/4 kilometer (notice the clever use of fraction units in the metric system) down the road on a stand with all the other neighbors boxes.  The USPS provides email notification of first class letters upon request.  There are a couple of larger lockers adjacent and the postman places larger packages there and leaves the key in our box.  If the box doesn't fit the lockers, or if there are more large deliveries than lockers the postman will usually drive to our house and leave the package on the doorstep (along with the days letter mail).   All of this service is free.  There has been an upturn in mail theft in this area, so ours is a locking type that allows insertion of letters and small packages but requires a key for removal.  About two years ago all of the non locking boxes on our stand were pilfered, and whoever it was left a fine clear fingerprint on ours as he/she attempted unsuccessfully to get ours.  Once upon a time mail theft was so seriously pursued by the postal police that it was a rare crime.  Apparently not so much anymore. 

I see no benefit to using a PO box.  I would have to pay the fees for the PO box, and periodically have to make a 10 km trip to the location for the box.  Or use a closer one (about 3 km) that has a very sketchy reputation on social media for reliability.  In this country a PO box is not a defense against junk mail.  While junk mail will not be forwarded to a PO box, it takes the purveyors of this trash very little time to find out where to find you, as I discovered when using a PO box during a temporary relocation.  I am sure this is one of the "benefits" of big data.


   I absolutely agree with your last paragraph.


    In Florida, ALL of the newer communities (the past 25? years) are being forced to use those community mail boxes.  Legally, the USPS is supposed to deliver mail directly the door of elderly and disabled people but in many places they won't.  My mother (in her 80s) and my mother in law (in her 90s) both had community mail boxes in their area and the service absolutely SUCKED!   The mail carrier constantly stuff the boxes full of junk mail but then left notices that they were too full to handle their regular mail and the owner would have to make a trip to the local post office (and stand in line for 45 minutes) to get their mail.  The mail carrier also paid NO attention to who's box they stuffed the mail into and nearly everyday, my mother and MIL had to make the rounds of their neighborhood to deliver mail that had been stuffed in their box and to try and find out where their own mail went to! 

   To me, a community mail box and/or an HOA are two reasons that I would NEVER live in a certain communities.  I live in an older neighborhood that still has mail delivery to an on the street mail box but the service here is still poor. From some reason, our route always seems to get the substitute delivery person and at least a couple of times per week they put the wrong mail in the wrong box.  They're usually one house number off but they're almost always consistent, they mis-deliver the mail to EVERY house on the street!

  My neighbors and I all seem to receive a lot of packages and the package delivery people have all been good about putting our packages right in front of our front doors. And there is NO package theft in my neighborhood, most of the people including most of the women in this neighborhood are gun owners & carriers and the local hoodlums stay well away from this neighborhood!

   One of my friends lives in one of the smaller towns in Florida and he is quickly going completely blind, and the USPS has been very accommodating for him. One of his family installed a mail box right onto on the back door of his house and his USPS person brings his mail down his driveway and around back of his house and walks it up a ramp and deposits it right into his backdoor mail box.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2023, 09:54:24 pm »
I have a box, about 3/4 kilometer (notice the clever use of fraction units in the metric system) down the road on a stand with all the other neighbors boxes.  The USPS provides email notification of first class letters upon request.  There are a couple of larger lockers adjacent and the postman places larger packages there and leaves the key in our box.  If the box doesn't fit the lockers, or if there are more large deliveries than lockers the postman will usually drive to our house and leave the package on the doorstep (along with the days letter mail). All of this service is free.
Who provides and maintains the extra lockers/boxes with keys? "free" is a wobbly term.

  Around here, the "lockers" LOL! are below the regular community mailboxes. IIRC there are six or eight of the "lockers".  When they leave a package in one, the mail carrier is supposed to leave the key to that locker in the mailbox of the person receiving the package. That way the person can open the "locker" to get their package. They leave the key in the locker and the mail carrier has a 2nd key so they can retrieve the first key later.  But 9 times out of 10, they leave the wrong key in the box!  Also locker is a completely ridiculous terms for the cubbyholes that they use.  The "locker" is about the same size as a shoe box but only about half the length. I doubt that anything larger than about 6 inches in any axis would fit.  My mother and mother in law had to make trips to the post office to collect their packages MOST of the time.  I get a lot of packages at my home so I installed the largest mailbox that is USPS Approved and it is considerably larger than the cubbyholes on the community mail boxes.

   Speaking for my part of the world, most of the neighborhoods are now PUDs.  PuD is supposed to mean Planned Urban Development but it's really just a Do-What-You-Want blank check to the developer. They're usually built by one commercial developer and they put in the community mail boxes but then "give" them and the property that they're sitting on to the USPS. The USPS is supposed to maintain them. They provide each resident a key to their particular box, just like if you got a box at the post office itself. If you lose the key then they replace it but they charge you a fee for. 
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2023, 10:17:40 pm »
I have one at home AND a PO Box. The PO box is going at the end of this month - Australia Post is charging too much for stuff-all benefit to me. A waste of money. There is a paradigm that anyone who needs PO Box must have something to hide.

  Several of my friends and several family members are in law enforcement and they all use PO boxes exclusively. Even things like their power bill are not in their own name and are sent to a PO box. The reason is probably obvious.  Even their outgoing mail is taken to the PO and put directly into the mail drop there instead of using the mail drop offs around town.  YMMV.

   When I was living and working in Canada, I keep a PO box in northern New York state and I drove down and checked it a couple of times per week. The Canadian Post was delivered by snails!
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2023, 10:53:22 pm »
We have a mailbox and use it daily. We are fortunate to have near zero crime in our neighborhood. Sometimes we are away at the cottage for a few days and if Amazon delivers something, it just sits on the front steps for a few days until we get home. We have never lost anything that I am aware of in the last 60+ years. We live in an old neighborhood 10 minutes from the city center (population 1M)
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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2023, 11:15:35 pm »
Sometimes we are away at the cottage for a few days and if Amazon delivers something, it just sits on the front steps for a few days until we get home. We have never lost anything that I am aware of in the last 60+ years.

Wow. Do the same over here and I don't give the parcel a few hours before it disappears. And it's not Philly either!
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2023, 07:16:01 am »
I've had one package get stolen ever in the ~18 years I've been in this house. Ironically the thing that got stolen was a package of USPS priority boxes which USPS will deliver to anyone free of charge (you pay when you use them). It was stealing from me that linked the thief to a pile of other thefts in two different areas.

Sometimes I almost wish it happened more so I could set up a bait package with a shotgun blank or a glitter or paint bomb. Disperse glue followed by glitter using small pyrotechnic charges.
 

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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2023, 09:26:03 am »
I once had a firearms licence go missing in the mail and when I contacted the Licensing & Regulation Division about it they wanted me to pay a $26 fee for a replacement. I protested about it and told them that I didn't lose the licence they did, and they really should require the license holded to attend at the local police station with additional identification so as to collect the firearms licence in person.

I informed the staff member that when purchasing ammunition from a gun shop one only needs to show they are carrying a firearms licence as the staff never bother to closely inspect it unless a person is purchasing or collecting a firearm.

The staff member at LRD then said that's a great suggestion and one which we should adopt, can you put that in writing and submit it as we could include that as part of the licensing and renewal process, I then said I'm not going to waste any more of my time assisting you lot with more rules and regulations. They posted out a replacement licence and waived the fee. 
 
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Re: Do you have a physical mailbox at your house for receiving mail?
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2023, 01:01:23 pm »
I know everyone complains about the post office. I always thought they did a pretty good job untill lately.  In the last two years things have become worse. Last two months have been really bad. One bank has charged me twice for statements being returned because the post office thinks I don't live there, credit card company emailed me to provide new address, Insurance company says statements have been returned and hospital says I haven't responded to mail. I haven't moved in 40 years. I like paper statements but feel I'm being forced into electronic delivery.
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2023, 08:29:40 pm »
Overall I've had a pretty good experience with USPS. For a while my mailman kept delivering me stuff that was addressed to the next street over and vice versa but that seems to have largely been solved after I complained repeatedly. FedEx is the one that is awful for me, if they bother to get a box all the way to my porch they never push it back under the eve, it's always right out in the open exposed to the weather. Sometimes they get lazy and dump it on the walkway, for larger stuff it's common they just drop it in the driveway right out in the open and leave. Oh and at least 75% of the time FedEx packages I receive are days late. The scheduled delivery date is a complete joke.
 

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« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2023, 08:36:22 pm »
Almost always had pretty bad experiences with FedEx as well. DHL, meh. In my experience, UPS provides the best service overall. All UPS employees I've had to deal with were helpful and diligent.
 


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