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| Zero999:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 16, 2020, 12:04:52 am --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on June 15, 2020, 11:11:49 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 15, 2020, 10:38:19 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on June 15, 2020, 10:32:44 pm --- --- Quote from: Ground_Loop on June 15, 2020, 06:11:53 pm --- --- Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 15, 2020, 03:29:08 am --- Tofu is one good source but make sure you get organic and/or Non-GMO - the regular stuff is likely to contain GMOs tainted with harmful pesticides. --- End quote --- Pesticides are not GMOs. Further, every agricultural product harvested for consumption is genetically modified either by direct DNA manipulation or selective breading. GMO is not a chemical, it's a condition. --- End quote --- GMO can be goo or bad for pesticides. If a crop is genetically engineered to be resistance to a certain disease or pest, then fewer pesticides are used. On the other hand, if it's generically engineered to be resistant to a weedkiller, such as glyphosate, more pesticides will be used. In any case, I'm not sold on the idea of non-GMO/organic always being better/more healthy. Levels of potentially dangerous chemicals in food are very tightly regulated and most people will be exposed to some level of pesticide, just by breathing. The only reason is because it's better for the environment, but even that isn't clear cut, if a non-GMO/organic food requires more space, water and has a higher carbon foot print, than a conventional alternative, it's not good. Lots of the organic food market seems to be more about making money, than the environment or health. If you're really worried about toxins, then campaign for reductions in air pollution. You inhale fare more dangerous shit just by walking down the street, than you consume in food. Oh and don't burn wood, it produces far more nasty carcinogens such as benzene than diesel and yet BBQs also produce lots of carcinogens, so don't have one too often. Whilst we're on the subject of health and nutrition. Ignore all those dumb videos/articles listing foods not to eat. If you listen to all of them, you'd quickly starve to death. The ketotards say avoid carbs which gets rid of most food, the veganknobs avoid anything which has touched an animal and even green vegetables are unhealthy because they contain small amounts of toxins and anti-nutrients. Then there are the other clueless nutjobs such as those advocating paleo or raw foods, of which neither are practical or that healthy: the actual palaeolithic diet varied depending on the location and season, humans only prospered when we invented agriculture and we evolved to eat cooked food! If I see any such shit in the title of a YouTube video, it gets an automatic dislike from me and I don't bother to watch it. There are no good/bad foods: everything in moderation. --- End quote --- It has been an eye opener for me, here in the slower covid-19 times, to start tracking a little more closely the sum total calories distributed over fats vs. carbohydrates vs. proteins during a day. I realized I was not really eating in a balanced way at all. Obviously if you're not looking, it isn't easy to steer... --- End quote --- What is a balanced way? There are many theories about what a balanced diet is, but it really isn't that critical. Look around the world and through human history and you'll find people who mostly eat sugars in the form of fruits and cane, to those who subsist almost entirely off animal products. People bitch about processed foods, but people have eaten a lot of that too, without any ill-effects. The most important nutrients in your diet are energy (whether it be from mostly fat or carbohydrates doesn't matter) and protein. Micronutrients are important, but you can survive for longer without them, than you can without the macros. Being aware of what you're eating is a good thing, but there's no point in obsessing about it too much, just eat everything in moderation and do plenty of exercise and make sure you ger your heat rate up: short high intensity, seems to be more beneficial, than doing huge distances, slowly. --- End quote --- Apparently, proteins are a "must have" - the body doesn't produce them, so they are non-negotiable. I've cut down meat a lot, without appreciating this little fact, LOL! Once proteins are covered (and they only need to be covered, not over-done), the distribution between fats and carbs is largely cultural and perhaps climate driven. From what I've gleaned so far, "balanced" means approximately 20% of your calories should come from protein, 20% from fat, and the rest carbs. --- End quote --- Yes, you need a complete protein source, but that can easilly be derived from plants, by eating a range of different foods. Some plant protein sources are complete, but combining more than one plant food, can make a complete protein food. The amount of protein you should be eating is debatable and depends on your activity levels. If you're more active, then you need more protein, but most of the extra energy should come from carbohydrates. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 17, 2020, 01:19:38 pm ---[...] The amount of protein you should be eating is debatable and depends on your activity levels. If you're more active, then you need more protein, but most of the extra energy should come from carbohydrates. --- End quote --- I thought fats are OK nowadays - i.e. unsaturated fats as in olives / olive oil, walnuts, etc. etc. - with no limit imposed other than staying below about 35% of the daily calorie intake as an absolute max? One of the big surprises to a nutrition n00b like me, was (a) how much fat there is in dairy products, and (b) the fats are all the "bad" saturated type! Sadly, as I love milk, cheese, youghurt, and the rest of it, and can't be dealing with reduced strength versions! (I'd rather have 1/4 glass of whole milk than a full glass of skimmed, if you see what I mean.) |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 17, 2020, 01:28:30 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on June 17, 2020, 01:19:38 pm ---[...] The amount of protein you should be eating is debatable and depends on your activity levels. If you're more active, then you need more protein, but most of the extra energy should come from carbohydrates. --- End quote --- I thought fats are OK nowadays - i.e. unsaturated fats as in olives / olive oil, walnuts, etc. etc. - with no limit imposed other than staying below about 35% of the daily calorie intake as an absolute max? One of the big surprises to a nutrition n00b like me, was (a) how much fat there is in dairy products, and (b) the fats are all the "bad" saturated type! Sadly, as I love milk, cheese, youghurt, and the rest of it, and can't be dealing with reduced strength versions! (I'd rather have 1/4 glass of whole milk than a full glass of skimmed, if you see what I mean.) --- End quote --- I didn't say fats weren't OK and even saturated fat isn't all that bad, because it's often found in foods high in other nutrients. Where did you get the 35% maximum fat for daily calorie intake from fat? The proportion depends on your activity levels. People who are less active are probably better getting a higher proportion of their calories from fat. Carbohydrates should increase with activity levels, but it really doesn't matter that much. I find I naturally tend to be drawn towards high carbohydrate foods, when I've been active for awhile, so it's not something I worry about. Don't worry too much about what you eat. People obsess about it too much. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 17, 2020, 06:44:04 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 17, 2020, 01:28:30 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on June 17, 2020, 01:19:38 pm ---[...] The amount of protein you should be eating is debatable and depends on your activity levels. If you're more active, then you need more protein, but most of the extra energy should come from carbohydrates. --- End quote --- I thought fats are OK nowadays - i.e. unsaturated fats as in olives / olive oil, walnuts, etc. etc. - with no limit imposed other than staying below about 35% of the daily calorie intake as an absolute max? One of the big surprises to a nutrition n00b like me, was (a) how much fat there is in dairy products, and (b) the fats are all the "bad" saturated type! Sadly, as I love milk, cheese, youghurt, and the rest of it, and can't be dealing with reduced strength versions! (I'd rather have 1/4 glass of whole milk than a full glass of skimmed, if you see what I mean.) --- End quote --- I didn't say fats weren't OK and even saturated fat isn't all that bad, because it's often found in foods high in other nutrients. Where did you get the 35% maximum fat for daily calorie intake from fat? The proportion depends on your activity levels. People who are less active are probably better getting a higher proportion of their calories from fat. Carbohydrates should increase with activity levels, but it really doesn't matter that much. I find I naturally tend to be drawn towards high carbohydrate foods, when I've been active for awhile, so it's not something I worry about. Don't worry too much about what you eat. People obsess about it too much. --- End quote --- Total fat intake should account for 20 to 35 percent of your daily calories, according to MayoClinic.com. (Mayonnaise clinic?? :D ) The number is a range, not an absolute, to fit with your lifestyle and food preferences. There is an excellent downloadable PDF here: https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/current-dietary-guidelines/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines I agree about not obsessing about this. I have never, ever, given a fig about what I eat.... but now the doctor is complaining about high lipid levels in the blood, so I'm trying to avoid being put on statins and similar drugs by paying a little attention (the minimum possible!) to what I am eating. It is actually quite interesting, when you look at it as an engineering challenge! (And it is working - the last blood test had a 30% improvement, yay!) |
| greasemonkey:
Maybe carbohydrates are the problem. I am 42 and 1,83m tall. I don't exercise but my work is relatively active (I am a real life grease monkey). I try to sleep for 8 hours every night and eat almost no carbohydrates. This is my weight during the previous year. Can you guess when I stopped eating carbohydrates? I was skeptical at first but it really works. Suggested reading: Gary Taubes - The case against sugar Gary Taubes - Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It David A. Sinclair - Lifespan: Why We Age - and Why We Don't Have To Matthew Walker - Why We Sleep |
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