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Zero999:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 17, 2020, 07:13:44 pm ---Total fat intake should account for 20 to 35 percent of your daily calories, according to MayoClinic.com.  (Mayonnaise clinic?? :D  )  The number is a range, not an absolute, to fit with your lifestyle and food preferences.

There is an excellent downloadable PDF here:  https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/current-dietary-guidelines/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines
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That seems like a sensible guideline, but people differ somewhat.

I agree about not obsessing about this.  I have never, ever, given a fig about what I eat....   but now the doctor is complaining about high lipid levels in the blood, so  I'm trying to avoid being put on statins and similar drugs by paying a little attention (the minimum possible!) to what I am eating.  It is actually quite interesting, when you look at it as an engineering challenge!  (And it is working - the last blood test had a 30% improvement, yay!)
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How active are you? If not, try doing some cardiovascular exercise. Short bursts of high intensity might help more than longer, less intense exercise. If you're not used to it, just do enough to get youself slightly out of breath, rest for long enough to recover and repeat a couple of times.

Good on you for improving your blood test results!

nctnico:

--- Quote from: BrianHG on June 17, 2020, 09:47:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 17, 2020, 08:54:47 pm ---The whole anti-carbohydrates movement is complete BS. Same as anti-5G and anti-vaccination loonies.

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You are correct about total surplus calories gained after digestion of the food you eat is key.
You are also correct that for most of us the anti-carbohydrates movement and especially how they market it as a blanket solution for all is complete BS.

However, for some of us who have an unusual appetite based on volume of food eaten, where carbs do create a massive influx of quick sugar/calories in our bodies, relying on much slower, longer to digest foods does help prevent taking in way too much calories because of the higher volume of food required to attain the same number of surplus calories after digestion.

Also, usually, with proper selection, low carb (getting rid of all surplus sugars (in all processed forms) and food with refined white flour) can be very healthy in the long run.  (And I am not talking about a BS all protein/fat diet.)

If you haven't been there, with an impossible to control appetite of a literal horse, back and forth in weight, tested the different strategies measured over decades, and finally succeeded, you do not know...

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I think I've been there... IMHO the solution to an unhealthy appetite is not switching to food that fills your stomage. That is just a short term solution with an unbalanced diet as well. A long term solution is switching the lifestyle and that does take effort. Years of effort. Burning the calories you eat is actually only a small part (or better put: a result) of the entire process. Maybe you can even speak of getting rid of an addiction.  :(

BrianHG:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 17, 2020, 07:13:44 pm ---There is an excellent downloadable PDF here:  https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/current-dietary-guidelines/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines

I agree about not obsessing about this.  I have never, ever, given a fig about what I eat.... 

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Hmm, a USDA written report...
Yes, Americans food supply and what they end up eating and how it is prepared is for the most part crap beyond belief.

Even their best cuts of meats/poultry/pork have the texture and taste of heart-attack on a plate.  Their grains, and even so-called whole wheat grains (some of which actually are fake) is a refined processed poison.  However, finding quality sources for most of the food costs a mountain of money which we don't all have unless you are willing to make sacrifices somewhere else in your life.

Eat healthy quality sourced food you are in control of by preparing it yourself from scratch.  Just choose what your appetite requires, so long as you left eating and drinking process junk long ago, you will do fine.  If you haven't un-trained a poor junk-food tendency appetite, well, for your health, I would say learn.

As an example, trying to find a healthy adult 1kg chicken today is nearly impossible.  An don't be fooled about today's 4kg adult chickens, saying that the breast meat is lean.  It is has fat mixed in it compared to the 1957 variety shown in the photo below.  Even the 1978 variety looks ok.  But the 2005 variety doesn't look natural or healthy.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: BrianHG on June 17, 2020, 10:39:44 pm ---As an example, trying to find a healthy adult 1kg chicken today is nearly impossible.  An don't be fooled about today's 4kg adult chickens, saying that the breast meat is lean.  It is has fat mixed in it compared to the 1957 variety shown in the photo below.  Even the 1978 variety looks ok.  But the 2005 variety doesn't look natural or healthy.

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IMHO you are buying too much into FUD spread by 'foodies'. I've been in a chicken slaughterhouse many times and I can assure you that the breast meat from the chicken is pure meat. I've seen it coming out of the chickens with my own eyes. Ofcourse things are different if you buy (low grade) products which are not made from chicken breast but minced chicken meat. Then they mix in fat and other cheap ingredients. In the end you get what you pay for. If you want really tasty meat then buy the bio-meat but it gets expensive quickly.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 17, 2020, 10:11:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 17, 2020, 07:13:44 pm ---Total fat intake should account for 20 to 35 percent of your daily calories, according to MayoClinic.com.  (Mayonnaise clinic?? :D  )  The number is a range, not an absolute, to fit with your lifestyle and food preferences.

There is an excellent downloadable PDF here:  https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/current-dietary-guidelines/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines
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That seems like a sensible guideline, but people differ somewhat.

I agree about not obsessing about this.  I have never, ever, given a fig about what I eat....   but now the doctor is complaining about high lipid levels in the blood, so  I'm trying to avoid being put on statins and similar drugs by paying a little attention (the minimum possible!) to what I am eating.  It is actually quite interesting, when you look at it as an engineering challenge!  (And it is working - the last blood test had a 30% improvement, yay!)

How active are you? If not, try doing some cardiovascular exercise. Short bursts of high intensity might help more than longer, less intense exercise. If you're not used to it, just do enough to get youself slightly out of breath, rest for long enough to recover and repeat a couple of times.

Good on you for improving your blood test results!

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Thank you and yes, I have upped the exercise levels from... in all honesty, near zero...  to about an hour a day, including 10 -15 mins of elevated cardio.  Plus some strength training thrown in.  I feel so much better I realize I've been an idiot for not getting started earlier...   -  I'm hoping the blood tests will look even better in the summer, for the next test!

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