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BrianHG:

--- Quote from: nctnico on June 17, 2020, 11:34:25 pm ---IMHO you are buying too much into FUD spread by 'foodies'.

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You clearly haven't been forced to live and eat in the USA for 6 months straight when traveling...
The poultry here is Canada is generally much better.  Even the cheap stuff.

And yes, after eating each cheap meal in the US, you do feel like your entire body is supporting a heavy weight.  It really is that bad unless you are in a few specific cities, or once again you know what and where to buy.

Yes, I brought friends from the US to Montreal for a few weeks and everyone of them did taste and feel the difference of even our cheapest food let alone the really good stuff.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: BrianHG on June 18, 2020, 02:42:49 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 17, 2020, 11:34:25 pm ---IMHO you are buying too much into FUD spread by 'foodies'.

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You clearly haven't been forced to live and eat in the USA for 6 months straight when traveling...
The poultry here is Canada is generally much better.  Even the cheap stuff.

And yes, after eating each cheap meal in the US, you do feel like your entire body is supporting a heavy weight.  It really is that bad unless you are in a few specific cities, or once again you know what and where to buy.

Yes, I brought friends from the US to Montreal for a few weeks and everyone of them did taste and feel the difference of even our cheapest food let alone the really good stuff.

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It's hard to eat cheap and eat well at the same time, it seems to me.  It's hard enough to eat well even without worrying about costs yet!

Zero999:

--- Quote from: BrianHG on June 17, 2020, 10:39:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 17, 2020, 07:13:44 pm ---There is an excellent downloadable PDF here:  https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/current-dietary-guidelines/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines

I agree about not obsessing about this.  I have never, ever, given a fig about what I eat.... 

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Hmm, a USDA written report...
Yes, Americans food supply and what they end up eating and how it is prepared is for the most part crap beyond belief.

Even their best cuts of meats/poultry/pork have the texture and taste of heart-attack on a plate.  Their grains, and even so-called whole wheat grains (some of which actually are fake) is a refined processed poison.  However, finding quality sources for most of the food costs a mountain of money which we don't all have unless you are willing to make sacrifices somewhere else in your life.

Eat healthy quality sourced food you are in control of by preparing it yourself from scratch.  Just choose what your appetite requires, so long as you left eating and drinking process junk long ago, you will do fine.  If you haven't un-trained a poor junk-food tendency appetite, well, for your health, I would say learn.

As an example, trying to find a healthy adult 1kg chicken today is nearly impossible.  An don't be fooled about today's 4kg adult chickens, saying that the breast meat is lean.  It is has fat mixed in it compared to the 1957 variety shown in the photo below.  Even the 1978 variety looks ok.  But the 2005 variety doesn't look natural or healthy.

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I agree that modern poultry farming and buthcering processes in the USA are disgusting. They way they allow the meat to get covered in shit, then wash it of with chlorine is truely revolting and is why many here in the UK are against a trade deal which would allow such shit to be imported. I doubt that has much to do with obesity though.

Obesity is a worldwide problem. It might have started in the USA, but it's now everewhere. People have eaten grains for milenia, without getting fat. Food is only part of the problem. A big contributing factor is lack of exercise. The USA was the first country where car ownership became the norm, followed by most of Europe, Canada, Austraila etc. at the same time mechanisation replaced physical jobs and TV and finally gaming replaced more physical leasure activites such as sport.

Losing weight by following a very restrictive diet works, but it's not very healthy. It's only suitable for those who are obese and unable to engage in enough physical activity, due to age/disability. In those cases it probably makes more sense to reduce calories from carbohydrates, starting with the refined type of course, than fat, but ketosis should still be avoided.

BrianHG:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 18, 2020, 08:29:25 am ---Obesity is a worldwide problem. It might have started in the USA, but it's now everewhere. People have eaten grains for milenia, without getting fat. Food is only part of the problem. A big contributing factor is lack of exercise. The USA was the first country where car ownership became the norm, followed by most of Europe, Canada, Austraila etc. at the same time mechanisation replaced physical jobs and TV and finally gaming replaced more physical leasure activites such as sport.


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Now listen carefully, secret #1:  Eating grains...

Purchase bread and pasta made from "Sprouted Whole Wheat".  This is in line with the grains people have eaten for milinea without getting fat.

I know this type of bread isn't soft squeezy like the normal supermarket bread we are use to, but you will not get fat from eating this stuff.  It is not refined white or semi-BS whole wheat flour.  It contains almost everything from the wheat grain, but usually you can only find this type of bread in the health food or organic section of your supermarket.

(I went haywire when I had to move from a my old house where a local pizzeria made their own pizza dough and had a true authentic sprouted whole wheat dough.  (they thought it was normal whole wheat, but, I could tell since I purchase the sprouted whole wheat bread and I recognized it's taste and texture)  The delivery guy was going insane over the 3 years a decade ago I lost over 100lb(45kg) on a few x-large triple-mushroom and cheese pizzas a week.)  (This is what happens when a small mom&pop pizza joint who makes everything from scratch using their own ingredients)

Remember, today's white flour breads have added fat, sugar, has nothing bot the bottom end complex carbs which easily break down into more sugar.  Added preservatives are doing a number too.  It's also missing the healthy parts of the grain which is why many breads has vitamin fortification.

BrianHG:
Just so you know what we are up against in North America:



And it's not just Subway...  Even most of the breads on our supermarket shelf which claim whole wheat are fake too.

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