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Zero999:
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--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 18, 2020, 08:29:25 am ---Obesity is a worldwide problem. It might have started in the USA, but it's now everewhere. People have eaten grains for milenia, without getting fat. Food is only part of the problem. A big contributing factor is lack of exercise. The USA was the first country where car ownership became the norm, followed by most of Europe, Canada, Austraila etc. at the same time mechanisation replaced physical jobs and TV and finally gaming replaced more physical leasure activites such as sport.
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Now listen carefully, secret #1: Eating grains...
Purchase bread and pasta made from "Sprouted Whole Wheat". This is in line with the grains people have eaten for milinea without getting fat.
I know this type of bread isn't soft squeezy like the normal supermarket bread we are use to, but you will not get fat from eating this stuff. It is not refined white or semi-BS whole wheat flour. It contains almost everything from the wheat grain, but usually you can only find this type of bread in the health food or organic section of your supermarket.
(I went haywire when I had to move from a my old house where a local pizzeria made their own pizza dough and had a true authentic sprouted whole wheat dough. (they thought it was normal whole wheat, but, I could tell since I purchase the sprouted whole wheat bread and I recognized it's taste and texture) The delivery guy was going insane over the 3 years a decade ago I lost over 100lb(45kg) on a few x-large triple-mushroom and cheese pizzas a week.) (This is what happens when a small mom&pop pizza joint who makes everything from scratch using their own ingredients)
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I've traveled to other countries where they don't eat sprouted whole wheat, but ordinary white bread and they're not as fat as Brits and Americans, so it's not that which is to blame for obsity. Granted the bread doesn't have masses of fat and sugar added to it, but it's not wholemeal, just ordinary white bread, made in the traditional way.
If you've lost weight, it's purely because you've reduced your calories and if you're eating a ballanced diet and like the food, then good, but eating too much of anything will make you gain weight in the long run.
--- Quote ---Remember, today's white flour breads have added fat, sugar, has nothing bot the bottom end complex carbs which easily break down into more sugar. Added preservatives are doing a number too. It's also missing the healthy parts of the grain which is why many breads has vitamin fortification.
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Yes, some breads have added sugar, a bit of fat and salt too, which isn't good, but the anti-preservatives thing is total bollocks. Most preservatives are anti-oxidents which naturally occur in other foods such as fruit. A classic example is ascorbic acid, which is also another name for vitamin C. There are a few preservatives which are toxic in large quantities, but that's the same for many naturally occuring chemicals, found in food and levels are tightly regulated.
Trying to get rid of preservatives will make food more expensive, resulting in more wastage, pollution and higher prices. It's not good for the health of the population, or the environment.
Vitamin fortification is a good thing. We don't do enough of it in the UK.
BrianHG:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 18, 2020, 03:59:05 pm ---Vitamin fortification is a good thing. We don't do enough of it in the UK.
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Now I am not against Vitamin fortification, however, I was just saying some of this is being done because bleached refined white flour literally has not vitamins compared to what should have been naturally available in the entire sprouted grain.
I also hate that I have to pay almost 3x for my bread when it just ends up using all the additional health vitamin containing parts of the wheat which just usually gets thrown away when producing the regular white crap.
If our food was properly entire and you have even a minimally good diet, you will be getting all of what you need except for maybe some vitamin D as you may be avoiding just a few minutes of near full body sunlight exposure on your skin.
BrianHG:
--- Quote from: greasemonkey on June 18, 2020, 03:54:54 pm ---But in defense of my thesis:
- I eat as much as I can
- I am almost never hungry (even after a whole day of work & fasting)
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And here lies the culprit. Your appetite is currently in tune with your needs. And if you are lucky, this will hold into old age.
This isn't the case for many North Americans. Our appetite is such a finely tuned system that If we were to only eat 4 pistachio nuts a day over our requirements, within a year, anyone of us would put on an additional 25 pounds of fat. That amount of food fits on a single tablespoon. Yes, 1 single additional tablespoon a day of even something like a thick soup for a year over our needs will add 25 pounds after 365 days. You do not realize that if you a little more or too much over a few days that you will eat a little less over the next 2-3 days without consciously knowing you are doing so.
For those of us with serious weight problems, this 'balance' in our appetite is tilted in the wrong direction. Since I workout for a solid 1.5hours every second day, when I skip a workout, I am aware that I'm just not as hungry and have no big cravings. However, after a vacation, by workout #3, my appetite becomes massive. And whats worse is that my appetite balance is out of whack from diet problems locked in from childhood, or genetic programming, so I either need to restrain myself, or when I occasionally fail to do so, I keep myself in good enough physical shape that I can burn off those additional calories during an enhanced version of my 1.5 hour workout session. My stepbrother doesn't have any such problem at all, that lucky bastard...
Zero999:
--- Quote from: BrianHG on June 18, 2020, 04:08:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 18, 2020, 03:59:05 pm ---Vitamin fortification is a good thing. We don't do enough of it in the UK.
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Now I am not against Vitamin fortification, however, I was just saying some of this is being done because bleached refined white flour literally has not vitamins compared to what should have been naturally available in the entire sprouted grain.
I also hate that I have to pay almost 3x for my bread when it just ends up using all the additional health vitamin containing parts of the wheat which just usually gets thrown away when producing the regular white crap.
If our food was properly entire and you have even a minimally good diet, you will be getting all of what you need except for maybe some vitamin D as you may be avoiding just a few minutes of near full body sunlight exposure on your skin.
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Vitamins and minerals removed from refined grains, isn't clear cut. If a vitamin/mineral is bound to insoluble fibre, then it might not be absorbed that well anyway, just excreated in the feaces. It wouldn't surprise me if some white breads are better sources of some vitamins, than wholemeal, because of increased bioavailability.
I agree about fortification with vitamin D. Folic acid is probably also a good idea, as it's destroyed by too much UV exposure. There's a fine balance.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: BrianHG on June 18, 2020, 04:25:00 pm ---[...]
Our appetite is such a finely tuned system that If we were to only eat 4 pistachio nuts a day over my requirements, within a year, anyone of us would put on an additional 25 pounds of fat.
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I was amazed to find how many calories there are in nuts. E.g. 15 grams of walnuts ( which is really not much!) is 100 calories...
Guess who was ignorantly piling on ounces of walnuts on the breakfast oats in the past... no wonder it was hard to lose weight, LOL!
To me, the big "Aha" is where the calories are coming from, there are plenty of counter-intuitive surprises in this space! :D
Even my mug coffee with milk turned out to be an issue, when you add it up over a day (week, month, year...)
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