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| maginnovision:
That's very true. Without GMO's many many more people would have starved. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: AndyC_772 on June 15, 2020, 08:45:06 am ---Instead I took advantage of the fantastic weather we've been enjoying, dug out my old MTB and started cycling again. That soon led to 'I really fancy a new bike', and then, 'I want to keep this up when the weather inevitably turns bad'. Somehow I've now ended up with a full Zwift setup and a genuine curiosity as to what my FTP might be. (Apparently it doesn't mean File Transfer Protocol to a cyclist!) --- End quote --- I had to lookup Zwift but it is for indoor cycling. My parents made such a setup to cycle indoors with the Covid risk. Indoor cycling seems boring to me so I have invested in extra outfits I can use to cycle outside when it is cold and / or rainy. And I replaced the front roller brake in my bike with a V-brake. Roller brakes are so crap it is criminal to sell bicycles fitted with such bad brakes :rant: Fortunately the pools re-opened a couple of weeks ago so swimming round in the pool I go. Dave's excersizes are no good to me BTW. One bad wrist. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: Ground_Loop on June 15, 2020, 06:11:53 pm --- --- Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 15, 2020, 03:29:08 am --- Tofu is one good source but make sure you get organic and/or Non-GMO - the regular stuff is likely to contain GMOs tainted with harmful pesticides. --- End quote --- Pesticides are not GMOs. Further, every agricultural product harvested for consumption is genetically modified either by direct DNA manipulation or selective breading. GMO is not a chemical, it's a condition. --- End quote --- GMO can be goo or bad for pesticides. If a crop is genetically engineered to be resistance to a certain disease or pest, then fewer pesticides are used. On the other hand, if it's generically engineered to be resistant to a weedkiller, such as glyphosate, more pesticides will be used. In any case, I'm not sold on the idea of non-GMO/organic always being better/more healthy. Levels of potentially dangerous chemicals in food are very tightly regulated and most people will be exposed to some level of pesticide, just by breathing. The only reason is because it's better for the environment, but even that isn't clear cut, if a non-GMO/organic food requires more space, water and has a higher carbon foot print, than a conventional alternative, it's not good. Lots of the organic food market seems to be more about making money, than the environment or health. If you're really worried about toxins, then campaign for reductions in air pollution. You inhale fare more dangerous shit just by walking down the street, than you consume in food. Oh and don't burn wood, it produces far more nasty carcinogens such as benzene than diesel and yet BBQs also produce lots of carcinogens, so don't have one too often. Whilst we're on the subject of health and nutrition. Ignore all those dumb videos/articles listing foods not to eat. If you listen to all of them, you'd quickly starve to death. The ketotards say avoid carbs which gets rid of most food, the veganknobs avoid anything which has touched an animal and even green vegetables are unhealthy because they contain small amounts of toxins and anti-nutrients. Then there are the other clueless nutjobs such as those advocating paleo or raw foods, of which neither are practical or that healthy: the actual palaeolithic diet varied depending on the location and season, humans only prospered when we invented agriculture and we evolved to eat cooked food! If I see any such shit in the title of a YouTube video, it gets an automatic dislike from me and I don't bother to watch it. There are no good/bad foods: everything in moderation. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 15, 2020, 10:32:44 pm --- --- Quote from: Ground_Loop on June 15, 2020, 06:11:53 pm --- --- Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 15, 2020, 03:29:08 am --- Tofu is one good source but make sure you get organic and/or Non-GMO - the regular stuff is likely to contain GMOs tainted with harmful pesticides. --- End quote --- Pesticides are not GMOs. Further, every agricultural product harvested for consumption is genetically modified either by direct DNA manipulation or selective breading. GMO is not a chemical, it's a condition. --- End quote --- GMO can be goo or bad for pesticides. If a crop is genetically engineered to be resistance to a certain disease or pest, then fewer pesticides are used. On the other hand, if it's generically engineered to be resistant to a weedkiller, such as glyphosate, more pesticides will be used. In any case, I'm not sold on the idea of non-GMO/organic always being better/more healthy. Levels of potentially dangerous chemicals in food are very tightly regulated and most people will be exposed to some level of pesticide, just by breathing. The only reason is because it's better for the environment, but even that isn't clear cut, if a non-GMO/organic food requires more space, water and has a higher carbon foot print, than a conventional alternative, it's not good. Lots of the organic food market seems to be more about making money, than the environment or health. If you're really worried about toxins, then campaign for reductions in air pollution. You inhale fare more dangerous shit just by walking down the street, than you consume in food. Oh and don't burn wood, it produces far more nasty carcinogens such as benzene than diesel and yet BBQs also produce lots of carcinogens, so don't have one too often. Whilst we're on the subject of health and nutrition. Ignore all those dumb videos/articles listing foods not to eat. If you listen to all of them, you'd quickly starve to death. The ketotards say avoid carbs which gets rid of most food, the veganknobs avoid anything which has touched an animal and even green vegetables are unhealthy because they contain small amounts of toxins and anti-nutrients. Then there are the other clueless nutjobs such as those advocating paleo or raw foods, of which neither are practical or that healthy: the actual palaeolithic diet varied depending on the location and season, humans only prospered when we invented agriculture and we evolved to eat cooked food! If I see any such shit in the title of a YouTube video, it gets an automatic dislike from me and I don't bother to watch it. There are no good/bad foods: everything in moderation. --- End quote --- It has been an eye opener for me, here in the slower covid-19 times, to start tracking a little more closely the sum total calories distributed over fats vs. carbohydrates vs. proteins during a day. I realized I was not really eating in a balanced way at all. Obviously if you're not looking, it isn't easy to steer... |
| NiHaoMike:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 19, 2018, 10:34:37 pm ---Also what happens if we make people eat too much? How fat do they get? Well not that much, check out the opposite of the Minnesota starvation experiment, the The Vermont Prison Overfeeding Study. http://idealbodyweights.blogspot.com/2009/08/vermont-prison-overfeeding-study.html Even given a huge caloric surplus, people struggled to gain 20% over their initial starting weight. Clearly something else is going on here. --- End quote --- One of my friends, who is very skinny despite eating a lot, seems to be good evidence of that theory. She took a selfie with a thermal camera and she's glowing fairly brightly over a large area, pointing to a high thermal dissipation. Sadly, she did that after COVID-19 started so it would be a while before it would be possible to do a side by side comparison with a more "normal" person. She also said that her family members were also on the skinny side, supporting the idea that genetics plays a big role. (Not to mention that Asians in general tend to be skinnier.) --- Quote from: Ground_Loop on June 15, 2020, 06:11:53 pm ---Pesticides are not GMOs. Further, every agricultural product harvested for consumption is genetically modified either by direct DNA manipulation or selective breading. GMO is not a chemical, it's a condition. --- End quote --- The GMOs in question are designed to be more resistant to pesticides, to allow more use. Also, selective breeding is quite distinct from artificially editing the DNA - GMO refers to the latter. The reason to go Non-GMO might not be so much the GMOs in themselves but rather the pesticides used with them. There's also a lot of ethics issues around GMOs, like suing nearby farms for unauthorized use. |
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