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RoGeorge:

--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on June 08, 2020, 11:57:05 am ---Capacitors charge/discharge continuously/smoothly on an 'ascentotic curve'...
which never actually peaks!!  I don't care how long it has been charging, or what
'curve' you draw, it is ALWAYS still charging, but by lesser & lesser & lesser amounts.
There are no 'STEPS'. Just a continuous analog reductive progression. But there's a problem.

Consider a ball thrown perfectly vertical, which eventually comes down again. OK...
Did it ever STOP at the top??  NO!!  It passed ZERO 'speed' for ZERO time!!So it never stopped.
I know where I'm going here mathematically... but do you ??

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That's only on paper.  In the real world, at some moment the last electron will take its seat on the capacitor plates (or will leave the capacitor if we are discharging) and that's it.  The process stops, because we can not have a charge smaller than an electron.

As a thumb rule for the real world:
- infinite and zero does not exist,
- forever and nothingness does not exist,
- everything comes in "lumps",
- at some point those "lumps" can not be divided into even smaller lumps,
- there are small and apparently random fluctuations in everything, a background noise that is all over the place, and it seems to be coming out of nowhere, and it can not be dialed down to zero, to me that's the most intriguing feature of this Universe:  the noise and it's randomness.  (not talking here about the microwave background radiation, but about any kind of random fluctuations, either at a quantum or at a macroscopic level)

With enough randomness, I think a whole Universe can be built:  the equivalence between mass and energy is already known, there is also an equivalence between energy and information, therefore it should be possible to generate matter out of information.  We might still need two essential ingredients, space and time.  If you ask me, matter emanates space (similar with a light source that emanates light), and that will also fix the need for black matter and black energy problem, but that's way out of mainstream physics.  The only ingredient left to get is time, and if we buy the idea of spacetime as a continuous, than we can get the time for free, time will be generated by mass, too, together with space.

In conclusion, from randomness alone, we can get some unintended structure here and there, or else said information, and from information we can get energy, then matter, then space and time, and if we wait long enough, we get dinosaurs, and monkeys, and us.   ;D

Now, where from is all this randomness coming, I don't know...  :-//
Labrat101:

--- Quote from: RoGeorge on June 08, 2020, 01:09:40 pm ---

As a thumb rule for the real world:
- infinite and zero does not exist,
- forever and nothingness does not exist,
- everything comes in "lumps", 
- at some point those "lumps" can not be divided into even smaller lumps,
- there are small and apparently random fluctuations in everything, a background noise that is all over the place, and it seems to be coming out of nowhere, and it can not be dialed down to zero, to me that's the most intriguing feature of this Universe:  the noise and it's randomness.  (not talking here about the microwave background radiation, but about any kind of random fluctuations, either at a quantum or at a macroscopic level)

With enough randomness, I think a whole Universe can be built:  the equivalence between mass and energy is already known, there is also an equivalence between energy and information, therefore it should be possible to generate matter out of information.  We might still need two essential ingredients, space and time.  If you ask me, matter emanates space (similar with a light source that emanates light), and that will also fix the need for black matter and black energy problem, but that's way out of mainstream physics.  The only ingredient left to get is time, and if we buy the idea of spacetime as a continuous, than we can get the time for free, time will be generated by mass, too, together with space.

In conclusion, from randomness alone, we can get some unintended structure here and there, or else said information, and from information we can get energy, then matter, then space and time, and if we wait long enough, we get dinosaurs, and monkeys, and us.   ;D
Now, where from is all this randomness coming, I don't know...  :-//

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 Now You are saying when my Capacitor starts to bulge & smoke . This is How the dinosaurs were created ..
   The BIG bang Theory   :palm:

      Some How the subject has turned into something else.
        And infinite zeroes is possible but not on your Pay Check  :-DD
            means I think you Have been Drinking the IPA again   and strayed from the original subject at Hand ..
           - everything comes in "lumps",     Yes you got that right 1 coffee 2 lumps of Sugar.
 I would Like to know were I can BUY some time from ..  ^-^ 

T3sl4co1l:

--- Quote from: Labrat101 on June 08, 2020, 12:28:33 pm ---Ok I got something.

I change some or the resistor to try and get a better results.
The Cap is 10nf @ 1.6kv  the resistor is 1k ohm . 
I tried 100ohm it worked but as using lower voltage was hard to get a clear picture.

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A core on the ground lead(s)?  What? :-DD :-DD

At least draw the lumped equivalent circuit first!

Tim
Labrat101:
This is special for our Friend   T3sl4co1l

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   A core on the ground lead(s)?  What? :-DD :-DD

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If you need to be shown how to wire something up .. don't laugh at the core.

  There was a very nice schematic further up .
      And also the Professor spent an hour drawing it on his blackboard . :palm:
          O you slept though it all . Ok  ''it was a bit boring''     

   Put a resistor in parallel with a capacitor  you need a diagram For this.!!    :-DD. 
 
   
--- Quote ---  At least draw the lumped equivalent circuit first!
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       I took a photo especial for you . Be careful its really complicated  :-DD 


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T3sl4co1l:
A mechanical schematic, showing the physical components and connections yes, but that's not what I asked!

Tim
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