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How do you pronounce soldering?

Souldering
15 (8.9%)
Soldering
98 (58.3%)
Saudering
55 (32.7%)

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Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« on: May 02, 2014, 01:27:27 pm »
Hey all something I noticed when watching tech videos on youtube is that people most often pronounce solder/soldering as it is spelt, with the l in the word, which was interesting to me. I started out pronouncing it saudering, and when I audited a college class in grade 8 for electronics fabrication, the instructor also pronounced it saudering (or he must have, because I would have changed over if he had pronounced it soldering).

Just wondering if it's one of those things people pronounce differently based on where they lived, or if pronouncing it that way is a big faux pas. To me pronouncing it as Saudering Iron is much more esthetically pleasing than Souldering Iron or Soldering Iron.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 01:37:38 pm »
I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language.  ;)
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2014, 01:41:11 pm »
I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language.  ;)

Yeah, in Canada myself, UK/Australian youtubers pronounce it soldering/souldering more noticeably.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 01:46:25 pm »
The L is silent in the US.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 01:56:00 pm »
I have always said

Americans are Sodermist's , and can not disagree ! btw ....

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 01:59:26 pm »
I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language.  ;)


Like Quebecois, North American English may not be the same as King's English.  Nope, sod-er-ing's the way it is in Silicon Valley....

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 02:03:11 pm »
The L is silent in the US.

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Thank you, someone actually knows the answer.  Words are pronounced differently in different countries that speak the same language, sometimes.

US English: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/solder?s=t

"Queen's" English: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/british/solder_1?q=solder

both of those sites have pronunciations that you can listen to.  Sometimes I can't watch videos of Americans that pronounce it the other way around, because I know they're doing it to piss people off rather than to honor some appropriate pronunciation BS they made up.  I get that language evolves and that things change, but one or two youtube channels who choose to pronounce that single word their own way don't get to define the pronunciation for the rest of us.

"Aluminum" and "aluminium" are different words entirely that have the same meaning with different spellings and different pronunciations that correspond to the individual spelling differences.  If we used the word aluminium in the US we'd probably pronounce it the same way as the rest of the english speaking world, but we use a different word: aluminum.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 02:43:12 pm »
The L is silent in the US.

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Yes - in fact the pronunciation common here is "soddering", which the first syllable pronounced like "sod".  This doesn't seem to be one of the choices in the poll.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 02:47:47 pm »
I'm amused by "soddering" because if you solder badly you can sod things up...  :)
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 02:49:21 pm »
Sometimes I can't watch videos of Americans that pronounce it the other way around, because I know they're doing it to piss people off rather than to honor some appropriate pronunciation BS they made up.

And apparently it's working, now sodder off and cry. ;)
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2014, 02:50:46 pm »
I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language.  ;)

I'm just glad we left before you guys invented that funny accent of yours.


 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2014, 03:02:29 pm »
I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language.  ;)

I'm just glad we left before you guys invented that funny accent of yours.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2014, 03:32:09 pm »
  Sometimes I can't watch videos of Americans that pronounce it the other way around, because I know they're doing it to piss people off rather than to honor some appropriate pronunciation BS they made up.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2014, 03:38:28 pm »
Neither. Where I'm from we call it "Löten"  ;).
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2014, 03:39:35 pm »
Neither. Where I'm from we call it "Löten"  ;).

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2014, 03:45:13 pm »
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How do you pronounce soldering?

- Soldering

Eh.... you say tomato, I say tomato.

Wait. ???

With people spread out far across the world, you really can't indicate pronunciation like that. In my accent, I used to say "sod-er", but after hearing Dave in particular say the word so many times, I drifted toward "saw-der", which feels similar to my mouth without raising the eyebrows of my fellow Americans ;D

Only one problem - when you guys read "sod-er" and "saw-der" above, you're still not hearing them in your heads the way I do, because you pronounce "saw", and "er", and even "sod" slightly differently. So what's the point?

I used to say /?s?d?/, and now I say /?s?d?/. And since I'm sure the forum software made a mess of those... and .
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2014, 04:14:35 pm »
I think its just the North Americans that pronounce it differently (sodder). It seems to be 'solder' everywhere else in the world.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2014, 04:38:45 pm »
I started out pronouncing it saudering, and when I audited a college class in grade 8 for electronics fabrication, the instructor also pronounced it saudering

A clarification here: so you mean "saudering" as in "sohdering", or "saudering" as in "soddering"?

Because I don't think I have ever heard "sohdering".
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2014, 05:04:20 pm »
I've always pronounced solder as in sold. I think that's standard here in the UK. I think what you're hearing on YouTube is the US pronunciation (as in sod). I find it very odd. Much like most of what Americans have done to our language.  ;)

Yep, sod has always sounded odd to me to. Am still not used to it.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2014, 05:15:34 pm »
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The word solder comes from the Middle English word soudur, via Old French solduree and soulder, from the Latin solidare, meaning "to make solid".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

There appears to be no "L" in the root source word: "soudur".  So perhaps pronouncing the silent-L is a continental affectation.  ;)
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2014, 05:19:41 pm »
I started out pronouncing it saudering, and when I audited a college class in grade 8 for electronics fabrication, the instructor also pronounced it saudering

A clarification here: so you mean "saudering" as in "sohdering", or "saudering" as in "soddering"?

Because I don't think I have ever heard "sohdering".

It would be soddering

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2014, 05:24:42 pm »
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The word solder comes from the Middle English word soudur, via Old French solduree and soulder, from the Latin solidare, meaning "to make solid".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

There appears to be no "L" in the root source word: "soudur".  So perhaps pronouncing the silent-L is a continental affectation.  ;)

Yet compare with this:

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The word soldier entered modern English in the 14th century from the equivalent Middle English word soudeour, from Anglo-French soudeer or soudeour, meaning mercenary

A similar root source word with no "L", yet we say "soldier" and not "soddier".

So really, there is no winning  :)

At least British English is consistent in pronouncing both solder and soldier in a consistent fashion--not that there is all that much consistency in English pronunciation in general  ;D
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2014, 05:31:48 pm »
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The word solder comes from the Middle English word soudur, via Old French solduree and soulder, from the Latin solidare, meaning "to make solid".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

There appears to be no "L" in the root source word: "soudur".  So perhaps pronouncing the silent-L is a continental affectation.  ;)

Yet compare with this:

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The word soldier entered modern English in the 14th century from the equivalent Middle English word soudeour, from Anglo-French soudeer or soudeour, meaning mercenary

A similar root source word with no "L", yet we say "soldier" and not "soddier".

So really, there is no winning  :)

At least British English is consistent in pronouncing both solder and soldier in a consistent fashion--not that there is all that much consistency in English pronunciation in general  ;D

British English diverged sometime after North America was settled.  If you want to hear how the English sounded a few hundred years ago, listen to Americans. :)  There was a movement in England to "correct" pronunciation, and they swept through and basically invented the accent and pronunciation you hear today.  That's also why that general style of pronunciation is not ubiquitous through all of Great Britain.  The English diverged.  Everyone else just stayed as they were.

English is such a screwed up language anyway.  These inconsistencies in pronunciation are minor little details compared to the absolute train wreck the rest of the language is.
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2014, 05:40:03 pm »
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Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?

No, because that is wrong.

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