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| BILLPOD:
Hey, how about my biggest rant about pronunciations, and that is the U.S. states of Kansas and Arkansas. WHERE DOES 'KINSAW' come from :wtf: |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: BILLPOD on November 11, 2023, 08:39:55 pm ---Hey, how about my biggest rant about pronunciations, and that is the U.S. states of Kansas and Arkansas. WHERE DOES 'KINSAW' come from :wtf: --- End quote --- That is easy, they are Indigenous names. The fact they are spelled similarly just comes from who was the first person to mention the names to a non-indigenous person. In the happy coincidence that they are people from that place, you might get the original name. If they are from somewhere else in North America, they probably got the name wrong. If, then, the person trying to render the name into a European language was French, Spanish, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Polish, Dutch, German, or whatever, the pronunciation became even further from the original. Brits love calling places something other than their real names, thus Roma becomes Rome, Beijing somehow became Peking, The Netherlands become Holland & Deutschland becomes Germany. The French call London Londres. Even within England, Why is Buckingham Palace "Buckin'm", But Southampton is pronounced as written? Further to that area, why is the abbreviation for Hampshire "Hants" & not "Hamps"? Why, when it comes to personal names, doesn't Cholmondeley Featherstone-Haugh call himself Chumley Fanshaw & be done with it? Or all the "Sinjin's" either call themselves that or stick with the perfectly legitimate "St John". Australia's 1950s PM Bob Menzies once expressed the desire for his name to be pronounced "Mingas" & was promptly labelled "Ming the Merciless". Some 1960s "rising star" in the Right side of Oz Politics was a "St John" & wanted to be called "Sinjin". His pretentiousness ensured he "sunk like a stone". |
| T3sl4co1l:
About half the placenames in the US can be attributed to Indian sources, yeah. And then variously anglicized or corrupted to the forms we know now. I live in Milwaukee, IIRC meaning "good waters", or a place thereof. Yet half way across the continent there's a Milwaukie. Which, I think may be more surprising in that, the root words were well enough conserved, despite the distance, despite the diversity of tribes inbetween, that they were transcribed nearly identically. Many places here in WI, were named by early French trappers, traders, etc.; hence we have "Beloit" (in typical brutish American, "bell-oight"), from what should be more "bel-wa"; or Fond du Lac ("fonnalack"), etc. These are mixed with Indian placenames (Wausau, Oconomowoc, Minocqua, Kewaskum, etc.), and later (English and American) names of varying descriptive (e.g. Whitewater, Beaver Dam) and eponymous (Madison, etc.) origin. Still other things weren't so lucky. "Geoduck", pronounced "gooeyduck", is a suggestively-shaped clam (also from the Pacific NW), which was even transcribed more-or-less correctly...and yet... when the written report made it back to the academic community, it was copied incorrectly, and nobody's been bold enough to, just, put their foot down and say, yes we've been spelling it "this way" for so many years but come on, the actual source material spelled it "that way" and makes far more sense and can't we just--- ...But no, we can't. So we have many weird things throughout the world, because this process of transliteration, transcription, and corruption (whether written or verbal), occurs naturally. The one upside is, this process is a source of entropy, by which we obtain specific-sounding names ("River Avon", a watercourse in England), from generic terms ("river river"). Tim |
| richnormand:
Saw the mentions of aluminium. OK I see that. How about "before a live audience"... instead of filmed (or whatever) in front of a live audience? Or, was it filmed before the audience was alive? They were dead then? Or about nuclear (from nucleus) that is pronounced as nukular.... even by presidents. OK let's agree not to talk about .gif pictures then..... |
| T3sl4co1l:
--- Quote from: richnormand on November 12, 2023, 12:54:33 am ---Saw the mentions of aluminium. OK I see that. How about "before a live audience"... instead of filmed (or whatever) in front of a live audience? Or, was it filmed before the audience was alive? They were dead then? --- End quote --- Have you ever said "it happened before my eyes"? "In front of" is a normal meaning of "before". :) Tim |
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