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How do you pronounce soldering?

Souldering
15 (8.9%)
Soldering
98 (58.3%)
Saudering
55 (32.7%)

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Offline Monkeh

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #125 on: November 12, 2023, 01:10:12 am »
Saw the mentions of aluminium. OK I see that.

How about "before a live audience"... instead of filmed (or whatever) in front of a live audience?
Or, was it filmed before the audience was alive? They were dead then?

Have you ever said "it happened before my eyes"?

"In front of" is a normal meaning of "before". :)

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #126 on: November 12, 2023, 06:06:48 am »
Even within England, Why is Buckingham Palace "Buckin'm", But Southampton is pronounced as written?

Not entirely true that. Buckingham is pronounced "Bucking'm" and Southampton is pronounced "Southamt'n".
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #127 on: November 12, 2023, 07:37:11 am »
Even within England, Why is Buckingham Palace "Buckin'm", But Southampton is pronounced as written?

Not entirely true that. Buckingham is pronounced "Bucking'm" and Southampton is pronounced "Southamt'n".

That is "how it is written" to me, & when the SOTON locals used the name, it seemed normal to me.
I never realised that we in OZ (particularly WA) do clip the "p" a bit in such names, although not quite to the extent some Brits do.

Then there are the type of Brits who call horses "horse is".
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #128 on: November 12, 2023, 06:32:47 pm »
How about “nucleus” vs “nookulus” ?
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #129 on: November 12, 2023, 07:15:27 pm »
Saw the mentions of aluminium. OK I see that.

How about "before a live audience"... instead of filmed (or whatever) in front of a live audience?
Or, was it filmed before the audience was alive? They were dead then?

Have you ever said "it happened before my eyes"?

"In front of" is a normal meaning of "before". :)

Tim

Yes I've heard it. Only in the US though. <<It happened right in front of my eyes>> is a more common expression here.

English is very much a living language by its very nature.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #130 on: November 12, 2023, 10:04:04 pm »
Just as in baseball, "you could look it up".

Definition of 'before your eyes'

'before your eyes
or in front of your eyes
if something happens before your eyes, it happens directly in front of you, and you cannot do anything to stop it or change it'

"With a wrenching crack the stone statue collapsed before my eyes and crumbled to pieces at the bottom of the fountain."
Easy Learning Idioms Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

In this context, "before" and "behind" are antonyms.  They can refer to space or time.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #131 on: November 12, 2023, 11:50:11 pm »
In her Majesty Bri'ish English, should be pronounced as Sodderin'  :)
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #132 on: November 13, 2023, 02:48:40 am »
In her Majesty Bri'ish English, should be pronounced as Sodderin'  :)

Unless you've been half asleep, it's "His Majesty".

Also, British only knows two words: "sodding" or "soldering"  :)
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #133 on: November 13, 2023, 04:34:49 am »
I know, but it's the tradition  :D
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #134 on: November 13, 2023, 05:24:01 am »

Reminds me of my first wife, she was from Texas !

One time visiting her folks, her brother asked, "y'all want a beer ?"

I was, "What kind of beer is that ?"

Mind you, English is my third language ...

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #135 on: November 13, 2023, 07:51:20 am »
Hello, I'm American. 
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 This is a particular annoyance of mine, since there are no extra characters in the word "aluminum" that would cause it to be pronounced "Al-u-min-ium". 
Huh. Interesting. Americans not only pronounce it wrong but also write it wrong to cover up their mistake. Huh. Interesting.
The “aluminum” spelling (and presumably pronunciation) were coined by Sir Humphrey Davy, the British chemist who named it. (His first name for it was “alumium”, by the way, but he changed his mind.)

The “aluminium” version came later when other scientists started inserting themselves into the issue. By the time the change happened, the “aluminum” spelling had established itself in USA.


So this is just another example of Americans using an originally British word, which the British then later stopped using for whatever reason. “Soccer” is another example.

Well, or people making fun of Americans for using words that not only originated in Britain, but which continue to be used there today, like “ain’t”.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #136 on: November 13, 2023, 08:03:08 am »

Reminds me of my first wife, she was from Texas !

One time visiting her folks, her brother asked, "y'all want a beer ?"

I was, "What kind of beer is that ?"

Mind you, English is my third language ...

Cheers,
rudi
Heheheh!

My mother (American) and stepfather (Swiss) took their honeymoon in the Appalachian mountains. Apparently, at a diner In Tennessee, after bringing the food, the waitress asked “Would you’uns be a-wanting’ anythin’ else?”

As they told the story, my stepdad looked like “what on earth was that language?” and even my mom — a native English speaker and English teacher, didn’t catch it the first time around. Confused, the waitress repeated the query, and then my mom got it and “translated” for my stepdad. 😂

Modern English has a smattering of second-person plural forms, to fill the vacuum left by “you” changing from being the plural to the singular:
y’all
youse
youse guys
you’uns
yinz

And of course the phrases “you all” and “you guys”.

(And probably more I’m not thinking of)
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #137 on: November 13, 2023, 05:55:11 pm »
Strictly speaking, it should be, alum in um.
https://www.spectraaluminum.com/aluminum-vs-aluminium.html

Aluminum vs. Aluminium

Aluminum is a metal with many advantageous properties and practical applications, but the history of its name in the scientific world is somewhat complicated. The legacy of this confusion is multiple spelling options that are still commonly used throughout the English-speaking world.

The Scientific Naming of Aluminum
English chemist Sir Humphry Davy named the metal, deriving the name from the mineral called alumina. This name was taken from the French, who had based it on alum, a white mineral that had been used since ancient times for dyeing and tanning.
 
Sir Humphry was not immediately decisive about the name, initially spelling it alumium in 1807. He then changed it to aluminum, and finally settled on aluminium in 1812. His classically educated scientific colleagues preferred aluminium right from the start. It had more of a classical ring, and maintained consistency with many other elements whose names ended in -ium, like potassium, sodium, and magnesium, all of which had been named by Davy.

Popular Use of Aluminum
The aluminum spelling continued in occasional use in Britain for some time, though aluminium soon predominated. In the USA, the situation was more complex. Various dictionaries used different spellings over the years, despite the fact that US chemists used aluminium through most of the nineteenth century.

In contrast to dictionary and scientific spellings, American newspaper archives show an interesting shift. Until the 1890s, both spellings appear in approximately equal numbers, though the aluminium version was slightly more common. After 1895, however, that proportion reversed quite substantially. By 1900, aluminum was twice as common as aluminium. In the following decade, the aluminium spelling crashed to a few hundred instances compared to nearly half a million examples of aluminum.

The evolution in the USA from aluminium to aluminum took place progressively after 1895, when the metal became increasingly available and the word started to appear more often in popular writing. It is likely that people and journalists sought confirmation in Webster’s Dictionary, still the most influential work at that time, where aluminum was indicated as correct.

Aluminum Today
The official change in the US to the –um spelling happened quite late: the American Chemical Society adopted it in 1925, though this was clearly in response to the popular turn that had already taken place. The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) officially standardized on aluminium in 1990, though this has done nothing, of course, to change the way people in the US spell it for day-to-day purposes.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #138 on: November 13, 2023, 06:05:12 pm »
Strictly speaking, it should be, alum in um.
https://www.spectraaluminum.com/aluminum-vs-aluminium.html

Aluminum vs. Aluminium

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So as you see, it’s not nearly as simple as “Americans are dumb” like you and many people believe.

Being in Spain, you of all people should understand the complexity and nuance of languages that now have far more native speakers outside the language’s country of origin. (Only about 10% of native Spanish speakers live in Spain.)
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #139 on: November 13, 2023, 06:08:18 pm »
I wish a Scott or Irishman would enter the thread and teach ye some lessons, ye cannae ken everything !
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2023, 06:11:19 pm »
Does anyone in the English-speaking world refer to the oxide as "aluminia" instead of "alumina"?
(Not to be confused with the Danish porcelain company's trademark.)
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #141 on: November 13, 2023, 06:13:06 pm »
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But do you ken ken hen?
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2023, 06:43:04 pm »
Does anyone in the English-speaking world refer to the oxide as "aluminia" instead of "alumina"?
(Not to be confused with the Danish porcelain company's trademark.)

But you have soda => sodium, potash => potassium, Helios => helium, barite => barium, Titans => titanium, Magnesia => magnesium, Strontian => strontium, beryl => beryllium, and so on.

Broadly, "-ium" is just a generic ending that means "related to" or "obtained from".

I think the reason aluminum got preferred over aluminium is that aluminium is a bit of a mouthful to say. Similar to the reason that aeroplane became airplane, I would guess.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2023, 07:08:06 pm »
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But do you ken ken hen?
You got me there, no feecking idea :-DD.
My dad is Scott, but from Dundee, his accent is pretty soft, I guess 30 years in spain softtened him further, nowhere close as Glasgow's :-DD

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #144 on: November 13, 2023, 08:05:14 pm »

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #145 on: November 13, 2023, 09:09:12 pm »
Dau ddiwylliant wedi'u gwahanu gan iaith gyffredin....Wrth gwrs y peth sy'n berwi piss goruchafwr Americanaidd yn fwy na dim yw eu hatgoffa mai Saesneg yw'r iaith maen nhw'n ei siarad....
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #146 on: November 14, 2023, 07:47:12 am »

Of course, this also never gets old !

Please, I don't intend top offend anybody, it's a funny thing I found on the net ...

In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.

 :-DD :-DD :-DD
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #147 on: November 14, 2023, 05:57:54 pm »
Thanks for that Rudi :)

Another gift the British gave America! the system of imperial measurements that the British themselves have even largely jettisoned in favor of the metric system: which although itself isn't perfect, is almost infinitely better: no freaking conversion factors.

President Jimmy Carter tried to introduce the metric system in the US for general everyday use, however that was viewed as heresy, so he just gave up, and Ronnie Regan wouldn't have such commie bullshit and abolished the Metric Board completely: (Congress had passed the Metric Conversion Act in 1975, under president Ford, which declared metric as the preferred system of the United States, and the U.S. Metric Board was created to implement the conversion).

All because of the English wreck of a system of weights and measures that the US still likes to cling on to

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #148 on: November 14, 2023, 06:41:04 pm »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner about American weights and measures.
1.  The United States went officially metric in 1959 (but forgot to tell anyone).
2.  Current US law (from 1975) requires metric units on retail packaging, but allows "customary units" (such as ounces) on the label in the same type size.
3.  "Imperial Units" are a feature of the British Empire and Commonwealth.  The United States has "customary units" that are similar but not identical.
4.  The most important historical difference between Imperial Units and US customary units is probably the gallon:  The US customary gallon is 3.8 liters, while the Imperial Gallon is 4.54 liters.
5.  The US President who abolished the Metric Board, absent popular clamor for metric adoption, is spelled "Reagan".  "Regan" is one of the evil daughters in "King Lear".
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2023, 06:50:03 pm »
4.  The most important historical difference between Imperial Units and US customary units is probably the gallon:  The US customary gallon is 3.8 liters, while the Imperial Gallon is 4.54 liters.

Some may be unaware that the Imperial gallon is a decimal unit, since 1 Imp. gal. weighs exactly 10 lb by definition  ;D
 
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