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Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?

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tooki:

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--- Quote from: Bluesharp on November 10, 2023, 10:09:42 pm ---Hello, I'm American. 
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 This is a particular annoyance of mine, since there are no extra characters in the word "aluminum" that would cause it to be pronounced "Al-u-min-ium". 
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Huh. Interesting. Americans not only pronounce it wrong but also write it wrong to cover up their mistake. Huh. Interesting.

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The “aluminum” spelling (and presumably pronunciation) were coined by Sir Humphrey Davy, the British chemist who named it. (His first name for it was “alumium”, by the way, but he changed his mind.)

The “aluminium” version came later when other scientists started inserting themselves into the issue. By the time the change happened, the “aluminum” spelling had established itself in USA.


So this is just another example of Americans using an originally British word, which the British then later stopped using for whatever reason. “Soccer” is another example.

Well, or people making fun of Americans for using words that not only originated in Britain, but which continue to be used there today, like “ain’t”.

tooki:

--- Quote from: luudee on November 13, 2023, 05:24:01 am ---
Reminds me of my first wife, she was from Texas !

One time visiting her folks, her brother asked, "y'all want a beer ?"

I was, "What kind of beer is that ?"

Mind you, English is my third language ...

Cheers,
rudi

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Heheheh!

My mother (American) and stepfather (Swiss) took their honeymoon in the Appalachian mountains. Apparently, at a diner In Tennessee, after bringing the food, the waitress asked “Would you’uns be a-wanting’ anythin’ else?”

As they told the story, my stepdad looked like “what on earth was that language?” and even my mom — a native English speaker and English teacher, didn’t catch it the first time around. Confused, the waitress repeated the query, and then my mom got it and “translated” for my stepdad. 😂

Modern English has a smattering of second-person plural forms, to fill the vacuum left by “you” changing from being the plural to the singular:
y’all
youse
youse guys
you’uns
yinz

And of course the phrases “you all” and “you guys”.

(And probably more I’m not thinking of)

soldar:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 11, 2023, 06:15:22 pm ---Strictly speaking, it should be, alum in um.
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https://www.spectraaluminum.com/aluminum-vs-aluminium.html

Aluminum vs. Aluminium

Aluminum is a metal with many advantageous properties and practical applications, but the history of its name in the scientific world is somewhat complicated. The legacy of this confusion is multiple spelling options that are still commonly used throughout the English-speaking world.

The Scientific Naming of Aluminum
English chemist Sir Humphry Davy named the metal, deriving the name from the mineral called alumina. This name was taken from the French, who had based it on alum, a white mineral that had been used since ancient times for dyeing and tanning.
 
Sir Humphry was not immediately decisive about the name, initially spelling it alumium in 1807. He then changed it to aluminum, and finally settled on aluminium in 1812. His classically educated scientific colleagues preferred aluminium right from the start. It had more of a classical ring, and maintained consistency with many other elements whose names ended in -ium, like potassium, sodium, and magnesium, all of which had been named by Davy.

Popular Use of Aluminum
The aluminum spelling continued in occasional use in Britain for some time, though aluminium soon predominated. In the USA, the situation was more complex. Various dictionaries used different spellings over the years, despite the fact that US chemists used aluminium through most of the nineteenth century.

In contrast to dictionary and scientific spellings, American newspaper archives show an interesting shift. Until the 1890s, both spellings appear in approximately equal numbers, though the aluminium version was slightly more common. After 1895, however, that proportion reversed quite substantially. By 1900, aluminum was twice as common as aluminium. In the following decade, the aluminium spelling crashed to a few hundred instances compared to nearly half a million examples of aluminum.

The evolution in the USA from aluminium to aluminum took place progressively after 1895, when the metal became increasingly available and the word started to appear more often in popular writing. It is likely that people and journalists sought confirmation in Webster’s Dictionary, still the most influential work at that time, where aluminum was indicated as correct.

Aluminum Today
The official change in the US to the –um spelling happened quite late: the American Chemical Society adopted it in 1925, though this was clearly in response to the popular turn that had already taken place. The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) officially standardized on aluminium in 1990, though this has done nothing, of course, to change the way people in the US spell it for day-to-day purposes.

tooki:

--- Quote from: soldar on November 13, 2023, 05:55:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 11, 2023, 06:15:22 pm ---Strictly speaking, it should be, alum in um.
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https://www.spectraaluminum.com/aluminum-vs-aluminium.html

Aluminum vs. Aluminium

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So as you see, it’s not nearly as simple as “Americans are dumb” like you and many people believe.

Being in Spain, you of all people should understand the complexity and nuance of languages that now have far more native speakers outside the language’s country of origin. (Only about 10% of native Spanish speakers live in Spain.)

DavidAlfa:
I wish a Scott or Irishman would enter the thread and teach ye some lessons, ye cannae ken everything !

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