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How do you pronounce soldering?

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Offline TimFox

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2023, 06:54:55 pm »
4.  The most important historical difference between Imperial Units and US customary units is probably the gallon:  The US customary gallon is 3.8 liters, while the Imperial Gallon is 4.54 liters.

Some may be unaware that the Imperial gallon is a decimal unit, since 1 Imp. gal. weighs exactly 10 lb by definition  ;D

That makes the US customary gallon a binary unit, since 1 US gallon = 8 US pints weighs approximately 8 lb.
I tried to convince some Japanese co-workers that the inch was more modern than the centimeter, since inches are usually divided into binary and hexadecimal fractions, e.g. 16ths.
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #151 on: November 14, 2023, 06:58:34 pm »
I blame the french,if they hadnt been ripping us off by  flogging us there plonk in smaller gallons then none of this confusion would have existed.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #152 on: November 14, 2023, 08:18:21 pm »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner about American weights and measures.
1.  The United States went officially metric in 1959 (but forgot to tell anyone).
2.  Current US law (from 1975) requires metric units on retail packaging, but allows "customary units" (such as ounces) on the label in the same type size.
3.  "Imperial Units" are a feature of the British Empire and Commonwealth.  The United States has "customary units" that are similar but not identical.
4.  The most important historical difference between Imperial Units and US customary units is probably the gallon:  The US customary gallon is 3.8 liters, while the Imperial Gallon is 4.54 liters.
5.  The US President who abolished the Metric Board, absent popular clamor for metric adoption, is spelled "Reagan".  "Regan" is one of the evil daughters in "King Lear".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Regan
Regan was the 66th United States Secretary of the Treasury from 1981 to 1985 and the White House Chief of Staff from 1985 to 1987 under Ronald Reagan.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #153 on: November 14, 2023, 08:22:42 pm »
That makes the US customary gallon a binary unit, since 1 US gallon = 8 US pints weighs approximately 8 lb.
1 US gallon = 3.785 litres
8 lb = 3.627 kg
Not that close.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #154 on: November 14, 2023, 08:44:39 pm »
That makes the US customary gallon a binary unit, since 1 US gallon = 8 US pints weighs approximately 8 lb.
1 US gallon = 3.785 litres
8 lb = 3.627 kg
Not that close.
Which part of "approximately" did you not understand?
The actual definition of a US customary gallon is its volume, defined as 231 in3.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #155 on: November 14, 2023, 08:50:08 pm »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner about American weights and measures.
1.  The United States went officially metric in 1959 (but forgot to tell anyone).
2.  Current US law (from 1975) requires metric units on retail packaging, but allows "customary units" (such as ounces) on the label in the same type size.
3.  "Imperial Units" are a feature of the British Empire and Commonwealth.  The United States has "customary units" that are similar but not identical.
4.  The most important historical difference between Imperial Units and US customary units is probably the gallon:  The US customary gallon is 3.8 liters, while the Imperial Gallon is 4.54 liters.
5.  The US President who abolished the Metric Board, absent popular clamor for metric adoption, is spelled "Reagan".  "Regan" is one of the evil daughters in "King Lear".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Regan
Regan was the 66th United States Secretary of the Treasury from 1981 to 1985 and the White House Chief of Staff from 1985 to 1987 under Ronald Reagan.

Reference was made to "Ronnie", a common nickname for Ronald Reagan.
Weights and Measures are not under the Department of the Treasury, nor the White House Staff, but under the Department of Commerce.
Malcom Baldridge Jr was Secretary of Commerce under Reagan until his death in 1987 caused by a rodeo accident.
He was succeeded in office by William Verity Jr, who was not so interesting as Mr. Baldridge.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2023, 10:51:22 pm »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner about American weights and measures.
1.  The United States went officially metric in 1959 (but forgot to tell anyone).
2.  Current US law (from 1975) requires metric units on retail packaging, but allows "customary units" (such as ounces) on the label in the same type size.
3.  "Imperial Units" are a feature of the British Empire and Commonwealth.  The United States has "customary units" that are similar but not identical.
4.  The most important historical difference between Imperial Units and US customary units is probably the gallon:  The US customary gallon is 3.8 liters, while the Imperial Gallon is 4.54 liters.
5.  The US President who abolished the Metric Board, absent popular clamor for metric adoption, is spelled "Reagan".  "Regan" is one of the evil daughters in "King Lear".

The big advantage of the metric system even for countries which don't "customarily" use it is in the fact that for stuff that is normally supplied in "gallons" of either flavour, each end only needs to remember one standard conversion instead of a weird one. We know that a 200 litre drum is for all intents & purposes 44 gals (IMP) or 55 gals (US).

Having two sets of "gallons" is needless confusion.
Back in the day, people in Imperial countries were surprised when US cars turned out to have better fuel economy than assumed when reading US road tests, & Americans were disappointed in that of Brit cars if relying on UK road tests.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2023, 11:55:56 pm »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner* about American weights and measures.

And once again a post from the Tosser.

Not nice when people make clichéd generalisations about your nation and its culture is it Timmy?

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #158 on: November 15, 2023, 01:36:55 am »
Though 'mericans measured everything in megatons  :D
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #159 on: November 15, 2023, 06:09:36 am »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner* about American weights and measures.

And once again a post from the Tosser.

Not nice when people make clichéd generalisations about your nation and its culture is it Timmy?

 :popcorn:

No, it isn't.
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2023, 10:00:19 am »
Once again, an ignorant comment from a foreigner about American weights and measures.
1.  The United States went officially metric in 1959 (but forgot to tell anyone).

But the real push came when (President Gerald) Ford signed the Metric Conversion Act in 1975.  We spent hours and hours in school being "re-educated" on how to use the metric system



and they even had "educational" animated commercials during Saturday morning TV cartoons, e.g.



After a few years, they eventually gave up. :)
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2023, 11:17:08 am »
I do find it odd the way the US has still been somewhat reluctant to change to metric units, in terms of everyday usage. I suppose peope prefer to stick with what they know and it's often not worth the trouble. The UK hasn't completely changed to metric either. Milk is still sold by he imperial pint and road signs are in miles and yards.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as it's even easier to convert than ever. Digital speedo's in cars can easilly be configured to work in either unit and it's easy to lookup the conversion online. I still remember the most common converstions to three significant figures: a pint is 568ml (imperial) or 473ml (US), a pound = 454g, an inch = 25.4mm, a mile = 1.61km, which I still find useful.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #162 on: November 16, 2023, 02:49:04 pm »
I do find it odd the way the US has still been somewhat reluctant to change to metric units, in terms of everyday usage. I suppose peope prefer to stick with what they know and it's often not worth the trouble.
That’s the thing: for many applications the units of measurement are functionally irrelevant. For example, whether it’s a 16 fl oz soda bottle or a 500ml bottle: it’s the “I want a 1-2 serving bottle of coke” size. And indeed, the big soda bottles (the “to share at the table at home” size) in USA have been 2 liters (and the less common 1 and 3 liter sizes) for as long as I’ve been alive (>40 years). The small bottles have started transitioning to 500ml in recent years.

I suspect some of the delay is simply the cost of retooling all the bottling plants (and the rest of the supply chain). The cost of retooling packaging lines is why beer canned in Hawaii uses a type of can that’s been obsolete on the mainland for decades: Hawaii’s only can maker makes the old style, and I guess the cost of refitting a factory in Hawaii is much higher than on the mainland, so they just kept it.

Similarly, think of how aviation still uses feet for altitude in almost all countries: it’s a functionally abstract unit. No pilot actually needs to know what the feet mean as such; the important thing is maintaining the correct flight level (hundreds of feet), sink rate (feet/min), and then they get a feel for “100 feet means I’m about to touch down”. There’s no benefit in a unit that’s familiar from other contexts, like meters on land. The effort to remake all the aviation maps and stuff in meters, and the risk of confusion during the transition period aren’t justified by the essentially zero benefit from switching.
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #163 on: November 16, 2023, 03:36:44 pm »
That makes the US customary gallon a binary unit, since 1 US gallon = 8 US pints weighs approximately 8 lb.
I tried to convince some Japanese co-workers that the inch was more modern than the centimeter, since inches are usually divided into binary and hexadecimal fractions, e.g. 16ths.

I love to point this out to some people who do programming stuff but irrationally hate the US measurement system.

Maybe the biggest hurdle in "your" system is the mixture of base-2, base-10 and base-12 systems; for example inches often divide in binary fractions, but on the other hand 12 inches is foot; if this was 16 inches instead, it would be just perfect system for us computer-minded. Then again stuff like milli-inches aka mils, base-10, is thrown into mix.

The base unit is not problem, and binary fractions are not problem either, just... different, sometimes better sometimes worse. But it's the mixture of bases which makes the whole system a bit awkward for us outsiders.

 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2023, 05:43:11 pm »
The ancient Mesopotamian mathematicians, whose notation was difficult for fractions, used base-60 notation, since it has more prime factors (2, 3, and 5).
Decimal has only two: 2 and 5.  Hexadecimal has only one: 2.
Sexagesimal lives on in angular degrees and clocks;  do not confuse it with hexadecimal (base 16).
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/roots-of-unity/the-joy-of-sexagesimal-floating-point-arithmetic/
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #165 on: November 17, 2023, 12:20:56 am »
I do find it odd the way the US has still been somewhat reluctant to change to metric units, in terms of everyday usage. I suppose peope prefer to stick with what they know and it's often not worth the trouble. The UK hasn't completely changed to metric either. Milk is still sold by he imperial pint and road signs are in miles and yards.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as it's even easier to convert than ever. Digital speedo's in cars can easilly be configured to work in either unit and it's easy to lookup the conversion online. I still remember the most common converstions to three significant figures: a pint is 568ml (imperial) or 473ml (US), a pound = 454g, an inch = 25.4mm, a mile = 1.61km, which I still find useful.

Agreed on both points. But rationality aside, it all has a very strong cultural, and even political aspect to it. So after the usual rational arguments, it's pretty pointless to discuss.
"Politically" speaking, since the metric system didn't come from the US, I don't really see how they would have switched to it. They have just merely been tolerating it ever since they had no choice due its wide adoption in science.
And I'm not saying that it's good or bad. Just how it is. And while I too find it somewhat "odd", none of us would probably want others to dictate which language we should speak in our own country, so this is kind of similar.

 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #166 on: November 17, 2023, 11:10:29 am »
And indeed, the big soda bottles (the “to share at the table at home” size) in USA have been 2 liters (and the less common 1 and 3 liter sizes) for as long as I’ve been alive (>40 years).

I remember buying (and returning for the deposit) Pepsi in glass quart bottles that didn't even have metric equivalents on them :)

But yeah, I think the very first everyday item I remember seeing in metric units was soft drink containers.  And frankly, I think that's still the only everyday item I still see in metric units 50+ years later.

Biggest inconvenience for me of having two systems:  needing two sets of tools to work on cars.  (And keeping the metric and "standard" sockets and wrenches separate in the tool box / bag)
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #167 on: November 17, 2023, 11:26:10 am »
That’s the thing: for many applications the units of measurement are functionally irrelevant.

I feel somewhat unpatriotic every time I speak ill of our (almost) uniquely American measurement units, but working with fractional inches is a real challenge sometimes.

- This 9/16 wrench is a little too big, maybe I need 17/32 or a 1/2
- This board is 5 and 7/8 inches long, so if I want to cut it in half, each piece will be 2 and 15/16 inches

(Mentally, I would do the second problem as either 40/8 + 7/8 = 47/8 ... divide by 2 ... 47/16 inches, or alternatively, 1/16 less than 3 inches)

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2023, 12:32:11 pm »
An oddity: Belgium, being an all-metric country, uses mile, half-mile, and quarter-mile (though disguised as metres) to display distances on motorway signs:

one mile:
here
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half-mile:
here
here
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quarter-mile:
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2023, 03:51:56 pm »
That’s the thing: for many applications the units of measurement are functionally irrelevant.

I feel somewhat unpatriotic every time I speak ill of our (almost) uniquely American measurement units, but working with fractional inches is a real challenge sometimes.

- This 9/16 wrench is a little too big, maybe I need 17/32 or a 1/2
- This board is 5 and 7/8 inches long, so if I want to cut it in half, each piece will be 2 and 15/16 inches

(Mentally, I would do the second problem as either 40/8 + 7/8 = 47/8 ... divide by 2 ... 47/16 inches, or alternatively, 1/16 less than 3 inches)
I thought you just use 1/1000 of an inch, rather than small fractions. I have some calipers which measure in increments of 0.0005", in imperial mode. What's confusing is Americans call 1/1000, a mil, yet us Brits will often say mil as an abbreviation for millimetre. We say thou for 1/1000.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2023, 04:13:36 pm »
I thought you just use 1/1000 of an inch, rather than small fractions. I have some calipers which measure in increments of 0.0005", in imperial mode.
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Sure, if I'm measuring using calipers, but tools (wrenches*, sockets, etc.) and "non-precision" measuring devices (rulers, squares/triangles, etc.) are still in units of 1/2s, 1/4s, 1/8s, etc.

I'm not sure that measuring a "mystery nut" with calipers (0.4375) and then converting that measurement into a decimal number (7/16) to pick the appropriate wrench would speed things up :)


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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2023, 04:26:11 pm »
Yeah, sometimes using decimal system and sometimes binary fractions is really the worst part. I also don't understand the masochism which goes into preferring weird stuff like 7/16" instead of 8/16" = 1/2" when the latter would work equally well. Other than that, I have no worries using an inch as an unit.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2023, 05:10:57 pm »
Calipers that measure in 1/128 inch increments do exist, but I prefer a dial calipers with 0.001 inch increments for my purposes, since we were all drilled in decimal expressions for binary fractions in elementary school when I was young.
By the way, a common expression for 0.0001 inch is a "tenth", short for "tenth of a thousandth", and a common alternate expression for 0.001 inch = 1 mil is a "thou".
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2023, 06:47:44 pm »
Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.
I remember my Science teacher explaining how each system was made, he always freaked out about Imperial units, specially if anything or anyone called out the Farenheits!
- 0 Celsius is where pure water frozens, 100ºC where it boils, under 1atm pressure.
- 0 Kelvin is the absolute "cold" in physics.
- While we had all those rational units, Sir Farenheit put a bucket of water to boil somewhere in the woods, while drunk as f***, went to a nearby tree to take a piss and shouted, "Fuck yeah, I'll call it 212ºF!!".
   Then he came back to civilization just like Moses and the ten commandments! And for some damn reason everyone decided it was OK to adopt it without questioning anything!
   (He usually came with new ideas about how Sir Farenheit might have gotten into it :-DD)

Ahh that guy was crazy, but funny as hell!
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2023, 06:59:41 pm »
Until the advent of Youtube I was completely unaware that Americans pronounced soldering incorrectly ;D
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