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How do you pronounce soldering?

Souldering
15 (8.9%)
Soldering
98 (58.3%)
Saudering
55 (32.7%)

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Offline vk6zgo

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2014, 04:15:09 pm »
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How do you pronounce soldering?

- Soldering

Eh.... you say tomato, I say tomato.

Wait. ???

With people spread out far across the world, you really can't indicate pronunciation like that. In my accent, I used to say "sod-er", but after hearing Dave in particular say the word so many times, I drifted toward "saw-der", which feels similar to my mouth without raising the eyebrows of my fellow Americans ;D

Only one problem - when you guys read "sod-er" and "saw-der" above, you're still not hearing them in your heads the way I do, because you pronounce "saw", and "er", and even "sod" slightly differently. So what's the point?

I used to say /?s?d?/, and now I say /?s?d?/. And since I'm sure the forum software made a mess of those... and .

You bring up some very valid points------this is what freaks Australians out when  Brits & others allege  that,for instance,we pronounce "Mate" as "Mite" & "Basin"as "Bison"!

Of course,when an Aussie sees that,it reads like nonsense,because we don't pronounce the individual parts of the  words the same way.

Brits trying to sound like Aussies or Americans,(even professional actors) is usually hilarious.
But what can you expect of people who pronounce "horses" as "horse-is"?
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2014, 05:24:37 pm »
Maybe but we didn't 'invent' America until a long time after we 'invented' English so I think we have it right  :-DD
Don't you mean a form of Medieval German that's been modified over the centuries, then later reinvented the languages' pronunciation after America gained its independence?  :-DD
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2014, 06:02:28 pm »
I think I'll find it's exactly as I said it was, at least as far as pronunciation and accent is concerned (which is what we're talking about).  There was no such thing as an English accent until the English invented it well after the US was settled.

http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html

I've heard about that before. I'm not sure how true it is and there's no way to prove it as there was no way to record sound back then.

Received pronunciation would have only been used by the upper classes and while it's probably true some working class people tried to talk like that, it wouldn't have spread everywhere.

In the north, most English accents are non-rhotic but they pronounce the a in most words such as class and pass like the Americians do, p-ass, kl-ass, where as in southern England we say p-arse and kl-arse.

South western English accents are non-rhotic, they pronounce kart and smart in the same as they do in the US.

There are differences in British accents in the pronunciation of words containing the letter U. In most parts of the England tube, new, and and tube are pronounced, t-you-n, n-you, t-you-be, except in parts of eastern England, mostly Norfolk, Suffolk and Lincolnshire, where they say t-oo-n, n-oo, and t-oo-be, although this is gradually dying out.

In the north buck and book sound identical.

There are parts of the UK where this gets mixed up, such as in counties where different pronunciations diverge. For example in Northamptonshire a mix accents from eastern England, northern England and southern England are found.

Many people emigrated from Ireland to America so there are elements of Irish in US English.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2014, 06:11:18 pm »
Sodder.

A lot the family I grew up around was from Southeastern Kentucky. I still tend to pronounce some words strangely. Such As "I really need to warsh the car."

The Chinese constantly use "weld" in place of "solder", they also like to refer to 7 segment LEDs as "digital tube displays".
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2014, 11:00:35 pm »
I'm Canadian, I've always pronounced it and heard it pronounced around me as 'soddering' without the 'L'. 

However, I frankly think that's wrong now.

We don't pronounce 'welding' as wedding' , although a wedding is a welding of two , so to speak :)

We also don't pronounce 'molding' as 'modding', nor 'soldier' as 'sodier', nor 'sold' as 'sod' , so why should we pronounce 'soldering' as 'soddering' ??

Clearly, it's just wrong to me now.



 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2014, 11:35:37 pm »
I pronounce it both ways. Cant decide on which one is actually good to use, so I use both. Typically usage is random though.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2014, 01:31:17 am »
I'm Canadian, I've always pronounced it and heard it pronounced around me as 'soddering' without the 'L'. 

However, I frankly think that's wrong now.

We don't pronounce 'welding' as wedding' , although a wedding is a welding of two , so to speak :)

We also don't pronounce 'molding' as 'modding', nor 'soldier' as 'sodier', nor 'sold' as 'sod' , so why should we pronounce 'soldering' as 'soddering' ??

Clearly, it's just wrong to me now.

Your head will explode if you start thinking of pairs like "laughter" and "daughter" (which differ in spelling only by their first letters) or "comb" and "bomb", or "need" and "knead", "head" and "heed", and so on.

there is no sense here.  Pronouncing your words based on rules that fit every word will have you saying unintelligible gibberish immediately.

the point of language is to communicate.  so use the words and the pronunciations that match your audience, or you'll find your words wasted.  silly things like "I know how to pronounce this word and no one else does" only lead to your listeners thinking a lot more about your pronunciation than what you're actually saying.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2014, 02:45:30 am »
With all the things we're pummeled with on a daily basis that really does make a difference in the quality of the lives of people, invariably we get tangled up with whether or not somebody uses the word solder vs sodder? The whole argument is a waste of time and energy because everybody knows what's being said and communication is taking place so it's a completely pointless exercise that puts people on the same level as internet trolls and grammar Nazis. Now lets get back to fighting over something that matters....Aluminum vs Aluminium! :palm:
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2014, 03:53:09 am »
More importantly: Arse vs ass.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2014, 04:34:18 am »
And with all of this thread, we still don't have "soddering" as an option in the poll. What's more, I think "souldering" and "soldering" sound the same   :-//
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2014, 06:51:38 am »
I'm Canadian, I've always pronounced it and heard it pronounced around me as 'soddering' without the 'L'. 

However, I frankly think that's wrong now.

We don't pronounce 'welding' as wedding' , although a wedding is a welding of two , so to speak :)

We also don't pronounce 'molding' as 'modding', nor 'soldier' as 'sodier', nor 'sold' as 'sod' , so why should we pronounce 'soldering' as 'soddering' ??

Clearly, it's just wrong to me now.

Your head will explode if you start thinking of pairs like "laughter" and "daughter" (which differ in spelling only by their first letters) or "comb" and "bomb", or "need" and "knead", "head" and "heed", and so on.

there is no sense here.  Pronouncing your words based on rules that fit every word will have you saying unintelligible gibberish immediately.

the point of language is to communicate.  so use the words and the pronunciations that match your audience, or you'll find your words wasted.  silly things like "I know how to pronounce this word and no one else does" only lead to your listeners thinking a lot more about your pronunciation than what you're actually saying.

People trying to apply rules to the English language?

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2014, 06:56:03 am »
And with all of this thread, we still don't have "soddering" as an option in the poll. What's more, I think "souldering" and "soldering" sound the same   :-//

Well, people who had to settle on another choice would not be able to vote for that option, and I wouldn't want to reset the poll.

Besides, I think saudering and soddering are pronounced pretty much the same.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2014, 05:41:40 pm »
And with all of this thread, we still don't have "soddering" as an option in the poll. What's more, I think "souldering" and "soldering" sound the same   :-//

Well, people who had to settle on another choice would not be able to vote for that option, and I wouldn't want to reset the poll.

Besides, I think saudering and soddering are pronounced pretty much the same.
Then why not change it to "saudering/soddering"?

I ask, as I haven't voted because I don't see them as identical, and don't think I'm the only one (don't quite see "sawd" as = to "sod"). Such a simple change would allow those that were looking for "sodder" to have a suitable choice, as it shows you do see the similarity close enough to be identical spellings to generate the same pronunciation.

Should eliminate corrupting the existing data or having to perform a reset as well.  ;)
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2014, 06:10:50 pm »
Now lets get back to fighting over something that matters....Aluminum vs Aluminium! :palm:

Well, that's pretty much decided. Aluminium is the official IUPAC spelling and is used by most of the world, while aluminum is a 'variant' spelling largely confined to the US and Canada. This is reflected in the Wikipedia entry - search for aluminum and you get redirected to the entry for aluminium.

On the other hand, the IUPAC chose the American spelling for Sulfur, which was until recently spelt 'Sulphur' in British English.

« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 08:14:20 pm by rolycat »
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2014, 06:17:49 pm »
Now lets get back to fighting over something that matters....Aluminum vs Aluminium! :palm:

Well, that's pretty much decided. Aluminium is the official IUPAC spelling and is used by most of the world, while aluminum is a 'variant' spelling pretty much confined to the US and Canada. This is reflected in the Wikipedia entry - search for aluminum and you get redirected to the entry for aluminium.

On the other hand, the IUPAC chose the American spelling for Sulfur, which was until recently spelt 'Sulphur' in British English.

Funny enough, I actually use European spelling quite often.  Not on purpose.  I quite often spell things like:

colour
flavour
fibre
theatre
humour
metre
litre

etc etc.

I'm not sure why.  I think a lot of the technical papers and texts I've had to trudge through for work over the years used British spelling.  A lot of the people I worked with over the years were Europeans too.  I guess it just stuck.  I try to catch it when I do it, but I rarely catch it.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2014, 07:14:13 pm »
On the other hand, the IUPAC chose the American spelling for Sulfur, which was until recently spelt 'Sulphur' in British English.

And in US English too. Just open up Google maps, point it at the continental USA, and enter "sulphur" as a search term...
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2014, 07:20:51 pm »
Funny enough, I actually use European spelling quite often.  Not on purpose.
And I have found myself using BrEnglish for things like the collective singular "IBM have done..."  vs. AmEnglish "IBM has done..."
Somewhat influenced by a UK-based online forum (www,gearslutz.com), one of several I frequent.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2014, 08:45:05 pm »
In China there is no distinction between solder and weld. It's

Hàn in pinyin
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2014, 09:56:56 pm »
In China there is no distinction between solder and weld. It's

Hàn in pinyin

But there is a technical distinction. So anyone doing engineering or technical work must need to use additional descriptions to explain which one they mean.
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2014, 10:30:12 pm »
In China there is no distinction between solder and weld. It's

Hàn in pinyin

But there is a technical distinction. So anyone doing engineering or technical work must need to use additional descriptions to explain which one they mean.
Exactly. Herein lies the problem. The people who blindly use the software program to translate rarely think of these things. Come to think of it, I should start proofreading and editing manuals for them.
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2014, 11:02:13 pm »
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=solder
Here is a history of it.


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....Fowler wrote that solder without the "l" was "The only pronunciation I have ever heard, except from the half-educated.....
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2014, 12:57:51 am »
The correct way to say it is "sodering" sod-er-ing, the "l" is silent.

Why isn't this a choice in the poll?
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2014, 01:00:33 am »
The correct way to say it is "sodering" sod-er-ing, the "l" is silent.

Don't you read threads before contributing to them, or are you being deliberately obtuse?
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2014, 05:49:14 am »
"L" is silent here.  Soddering, to be sure.  I think the bigger question is, "Regardless of how you pronounce it, is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"    :D

You can meld two wires by soldering.  It's incorrect to call it welding since welding requires melting of the base metals.  Soldering dissolves the base metals and though it's essentially an alloying process, no base metal is ever melted.  It would be no more correct to drop a piece of metal into a vat of acid, wait for it to dissolve, and then say that the metal was welded to the acid.

Soldering is joining two metals with a filler metal of a lower melting point.
Welding is joining two metals with a filler metal of the same melting point.

Some years back,when I got into oxy-acetylene welding,books from the main supplier of such gear in Oz referred to what is commonly known as "brazing" (using a torch & filler rod), as "braze welding" to distinguish it from the practice of brazing using a forge.

Neither process,although they both fit your definition,is called "soldering".
Then,just to confuse things,the same process,using silver alloy filler rods is commonly known as "silver soldering"! ::)
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