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How do you pronounce soldering?

Souldering
15 (8.9%)
Soldering
98 (58.3%)
Saudering
55 (32.7%)

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Offline lowimpedance

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2014, 06:50:31 am »
Some years back,when I got into oxy-acetylene welding,books from the main supplier of such gear in Oz referred to what is commonly known as "brazing" (using a torch & filler rod), as "braze welding" to distinguish it from the practice of brazing using a forge.

Neither process,although they both fit your definition,is called "soldering".
Then,just to confuse things,the same process,using silver alloy filler rods is commonly known as "silver soldering"! ::)

Indeed, and these 'types of soldering is generally referred to as hard soldering, where as the tin lead variety is soft soldering !.
The odd multimeter or 2 or 3 or 4...or........can't remember !.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2014, 09:09:03 am »
"L" is silent here.  Soddering, to be sure.  I think the bigger question is, "Regardless of how you pronounce it, is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"    :D

You can meld two wires by soldering.  It's incorrect to call it welding since welding requires melting of the base metals.  Soldering dissolves the base metals and though it's essentially an alloying process, no base metal is ever melted.  It would be no more correct to drop a piece of metal into a vat of acid, wait for it to dissolve, and then say that the metal was welded to the acid.

Soldering is joining two metals with a filler metal of a lower melting point.
Welding is joining two metals with a filler metal of the same melting point.

Some years back,when I got into oxy-acetylene welding,books from the main supplier of such gear in Oz referred to what is commonly known as "brazing" (using a torch & filler rod), as "braze welding" to distinguish it from the practice of brazing using a forge.

Neither process,although they both fit your definition,is called "soldering".
Then,just to confuse things,the same process,using silver alloy filler rods is commonly known as "silver soldering"! ::)

I was taught that brazing was still soldering as the filler was usually brass ie softer than the metal being joined but this was referred to as hard soldering.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2014, 12:18:11 pm »
Long story short: In English is it "solder", in American English it is "sodder". People who say "sauder" are just wrong.

Well, when I threw this poll up the sauder option and sodder were the same pronunciation in my mind, but maybe you are thinking it would be pronounced more like sowder?

I guess these are the problems with talking about pronunciation over text lol

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2014, 01:52:22 am »
"L" is silent here.  Soddering, to be sure.  I think the bigger question is, "Regardless of how you pronounce it, is it acceptable to call soldering welding?  Am I the only one annoyed by that?  I see that so often, I'm beginning to wonder if that is now acceptable?   I've only seen it in text.  Maybe they're pronouncing it "wedding?"    :D

You can meld two wires by soldering.  It's incorrect to call it welding since welding requires melting of the base metals.  Soldering dissolves the base metals and though it's essentially an alloying process, no base metal is ever melted.  It would be no more correct to drop a piece of metal into a vat of acid, wait for it to dissolve, and then say that the metal was welded to the acid.

Soldering is joining two metals with a filler metal of a lower melting point.
Welding is joining two metals with a filler metal of the same melting point.

Some years back,when I got into oxy-acetylene welding,books from the main supplier of such gear in Oz referred to what is commonly known as "brazing" (using a torch & filler rod), as "braze welding" to distinguish it from the practice of brazing using a forge.

Neither process,although they both fit your definition,is called "soldering".
Then,just to confuse things,the same process,using silver alloy filler rods is commonly known as "silver soldering"! ::)

I was taught that brazing was still soldering as the filler was usually brass ie softer than the metal being joined but this was referred to as hard soldering.

way i learned it was welding required the melting together of the filler with the base metal (or just the melting of the base metal if no filler is used)

brazing and soldering, well, basically, the same thing. the processes and theories are all exactly the same, the base metal is not melted together with the filler. the only difference between brazing and soldering was the temperature at which it occurred,although i do not remember where soldering stopped and brazing began, but it is somewhere around the temperature where you would switch from a common plumbers torch to an o-a torch. 
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2014, 10:29:48 am »
Well, when I threw this poll up the sauder option and sodder were the same pronunciation in my mind, but maybe you are thinking it would be pronounced more like sowder?

"Sauder" is pronounced with an elongated "a", kind of like "saw-der". A lot of Americans on YouTube say it that way, but I'm struggling to think of an example. Connor Wolf perhaps? Sounds Germanic to me.

Other say "sodder", with the stress on the double "d". Limor Fried says it that way, nearly spewed coffee over my keyboard when she first suggested some kid should have fun with his buggering iron. She is based in NY I think, is that a NY accent?

buggering iron? lol

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2014, 12:43:13 pm »
Limor Fried says it that way, nearly spewed coffee over my keyboard when she first suggested some kid should have fun with his buggering iron. She is based in NY I think, is that a NY accent?

She lives in NY now but I'm not sure that she's from NY.  That's a somewhat midwestern US accent, to my untrained ear.  I'll listen closely next time I hear her and I'll update this if I think I'm wrong.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #81 on: May 06, 2014, 01:21:27 pm »
What about Salmon?

It wasn't until my 20s that I ever heard an adult pronounce the L.

And to go along with Cool HWhip, how about HWill HWheaton?

So do you pronounce the L in these words?

calm
palm
half
calf
chalk
talk
walk
could
would
should
colonel

And what about the "F" that isn't in Lieutenant?
« Last Edit: May 06, 2014, 01:30:41 pm by Stonent »
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #82 on: May 06, 2014, 02:04:23 pm »
What about Salmon?

It wasn't until my 20s that I ever heard an adult pronounce the L.

And to go along with Cool HWhip, how about HWill HWheaton?

So do you pronounce the L in these words?

calm
palm
half
calf
chalk
talk
walk
could
would
should

Oz pronunciation,as close as I can get in written form.

Salmon-----------Sam-on

In the next four,"al" sounds like "ar" as in "dark").
calm--------------karm 
palm--------------parm       
half---------------harf         
calf---------------karf

In the next three,"al" sounds like "or" as in "bore" or "door".or "aw" in "squawk".*
chalk-------------chork
talk---------------tork
walk--------------wawk *

The next lot has the "oo" sound as in "wood",not that in "Moon"..
could-------------kood
would------------wood
should-----------shood

Note,though,there is no "u" in "solder",
And here is a weird one------"oulder" in shoulder is pronounced similarly to  the "older" in solder
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #83 on: May 06, 2014, 03:03:03 pm »
What about Salmon?

It wasn't until my 20s that I ever heard an adult pronounce the L.

And to go along with Cool HWhip, how about HWill HWheaton?

So do you pronounce the L in these words?

calm
palm
half
calf
chalk
talk
walk
could
would
should
colonel

And what about the "F" that isn't in Lieutenant?

calm Y
palm Y
half N
calf N
chalk Y
talk Y
walk Y
could N
would N
should N
colonel N
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #84 on: May 06, 2014, 03:14:26 pm »
No comments about "Leftennant"?  :-DD

calm Y (depends on how fast I say it)
palm Y (depends on how fast I say it)
half N
calf N
chalk N
talk N
walk N
could N
would N
should N
colonel N
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #85 on: May 06, 2014, 03:32:15 pm »
And to go along with Cool HWhip, how about HWill HWheaton?
I take it you've been listening to Stewie Griffin of "Family Guy" again?  :o  >:D
 
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2014, 12:26:33 am »
What about Salmon?

It wasn't until my 20s that I ever heard an adult pronounce the L.

And to go along with Cool HWhip, how about HWill HWheaton?

So do you pronounce the L in these words?

calm
palm
half
calf
chalk
talk
walk
could
would
should
colonel

And what about the "F" that isn't in Lieutenant?

East coast?
if so, how do you pronounce:

car
dad
mom

I mean even within the same country there are different pronunciations.
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2014, 08:41:36 am »
Is 'mom' really a word ?
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2014, 12:34:09 pm »
No I'm from everyone's favorite (or most hated) red state.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2014, 02:02:30 pm »
Is 'mom' really a word ?

Ask yer Mum!
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2014, 01:24:28 am »
No I'm from everyone's favorite (or most hated) red state.
TX?
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2014, 02:31:44 am »
Probably.  TX is either the best state in the union, or the worst. Doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
 

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« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2014, 03:04:29 am »
Probably.  TX is either the best state in the union, or the worst. Doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
Looking at the stupidity of some of the people around me  :palm:*10^9

Rick Perry couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag!
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2014, 04:35:22 am »
I love TX my wife is from there, just because of  Perot, Bush junior,and Perry those are just people they don't represent the state... wait... hmm I guess they did and do.

Kidding aside, I love TX lived there many years!
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2014, 04:49:55 am »
I love TX my wife is from there, just because of  Perot, Bush junior,and Perry those are just people they don't represent the state... wait... hmm I guess they did and do.

Kidding aside, I love TX lived there many years!
There are a lot of good, kind, smart people here. Then you go to other places.  :scared:
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2014, 04:53:33 am »
No I'm from everyone's favorite (or most hated) red state.

North Korea? ;D
 

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #96 on: May 08, 2014, 04:57:35 am »
In New England, we don't drop the 'r's, we just re-purpose them:
car = ca
idea = ideer
deer = deea
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2014, 05:10:39 am »
Just to contribute to this topic drifting further of course. I grew up with peanut paste and tomato sauce and now It is peanut butter and ketchup. I don't know if jam is jelly or biscuit is cookie. Why on Earth Aussie kids wear baseball caps (backwards or not) is a mystery.

In a global connected world it will probably merge eventually. In any case it reminded me of this episode of the British show with Stephen Fry, Absolute Power. The episode in question was Spinning America where the PR people had to make people like America and they tried to do  it by showing the people what the world might be like without the influence of American culture. It's a clever show.

This is the Episode on YT well worth a look.


No tomato paste?

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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2014, 05:47:32 am »
To me tomato paste is water reduced tomatoes in a can, probably with salt. Ketchup is mostly corn syrup or sugar, with a bit of tomato and some spices.
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Re: Does anyone else pronounce "Soldering" as "Saudering"?
« Reply #99 on: May 08, 2014, 06:36:44 am »
To be fair, in the US, we make a distinction between Jam, Jelly and Preserves.  Jam is the mashed fruit in Jelly.  Jelly itself is the spread formed from the juice of the fruit but is clear and has no visible fruit.  Preserves are basically Jam but the fruit is not mashed.
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