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Does anyone recognise this Chinese moulded case - YORKTRON
floobydust:
Every company that sets up shop in china gets their IP ripped off and disseminated to the People. I've seen it, stunned when competitor's CADD drawings are handed out like crisps at a meeting.
Example: Google source code, Saleen china scam, ARM Holdings, and now Tesla is suing Rivian a second time for headhunting and stealing their battery tech. How can Tesla be so stupid- yet this is the price for manufacturing over there and presumably selling your product to that theoretical large market of millions, who can't afford it.
I would never get an entire product built there but MBA's and corporate executives don't care if the IP is stolen, as long as this quarter's profits look good for stockholders. It's just components, parts that are less dangerous.
I was wondering if there was a chance for "on-shoring" to at least slow the decline of the electronics industry due to outsourcing. Or if it's another myth politicians and exec's are on about.
I had one local board stuffing house actually sneak over to S. Korea to source the PCB's for products they were building for us. We were exclusively using North American PCB fab. Who authorized the cheapola outsourcing? It's the local PCB assembly house making extra profit by supplying cheap PC boards. Next they could just get the boards built there lol. This is management making outsourcing deals Engineering knows nothing about, then come back crying when it doesn't work. It did not work because one product used microwaves and Dk can't be that crappy so the tuning was trashed. The other product the copper de-laminated peel strength was poor for heavier parts. The Korean PC boards are very low cost and lower quality.
TimCambridge:
--- Quote from: peter-h on October 10, 2021, 04:49:02 pm ---"UK moulding recommendation for small enclosures?"
There must be 10 companies within a 10 mile radius, in the UK. I used to be next door to one such, running 24/7, with 1 machine, churning out plastic cups. I am sure he was the cheapest around, in that business.
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Any recommendations? Not looking for a guarantee, just "try this company."
all_repair:
--- Quote from: Bud on October 10, 2021, 08:56:52 pm ---I bought plastic handheld enclosures from China. They came with the halves misaligned and twisted so it was not possible to assemble them properly. Never again, and can't be happier.
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You had bought factory rejects from drop shippers.
You can outsource the work, but you can't outsource your responsibility.
Able to find, select, qualify, and retain good vendors are the responsibility and the competitive strength of a good company. All good vendors have more than enough work to keep them busy, and are not spamming all over the place. They are in a good position to walk off if they sense the clients going to be lazy, unreasonable or problematic. Good ones also do not need to reach out to unknown foreign cleints in foreign languages that they are not familiar. Find someone who are willing to risk their reputation to recommend you to his/her good vendors should be the first approach.
Simon:
If we could not stray into over political discussion on this one. What applies to china applies to any country, trading has to be done largely on faith unless you have the money to sue and you have a contract that recognises a legal jurisdiction that may not be the one of the buyer or seller. It's as simple as that. Companies going bust is always a risk. It's why for large important sourcing of materials or even expertise some companies put a lot of effort into their supply chain. For example my employer gets all source files off their electronics contractor, not just so that they can go elsewhere if they are being messed about but also as a guarantee against our own output just stopping if that company disappears.
floobydust:
--- Quote from: Simon on October 14, 2021, 07:11:53 am ---[...] What applies to china applies to any country, trading has to be done largely on faith unless you have the money to sue and you have a contract that recognises a legal jurisdiction that may not be the one of the buyer or seller. It's as simple as that. [...]
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I disagree, they do not comprehend the Rule of Law that defines the West. The "100 years of national humiliation" has rightfully resulted in angry nationalism that people need to be aware of. Copyright infringement? Theft of IP? Phone the police lol. The narrative is mistrust and bias against foreign entities, as they damaged the country many years ago.
I think it's impossible to talk about sourcing electronics components without the politics of developing nations coming up.
Nothing has impacted the global electronics profession as much as china and it's important to not be naive or have a gag order, and share the pitfalls.
I understand emotions, anger, hostility will cause a thread to crash'n burn though.
Imagine sourcing this simple plastic box being such a hassle.
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