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Driverless taxi service getting approved in SF
eti:
If a human driver kills people, there is accountability. If SOFTWARE does so, it is waved away as "It was an unfortunate accident, <blah blah rehearsed corporate 'apology' (ass-covering)> and we will take extra steps..." blah blah blah fking blah>
They want ALL the profit, but none of the accountability, and a robot can't be sent to prison.
Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: eti on June 09, 2022, 01:30:06 am ---If a human driver kills people, there is accountability. If SOFTWARE does so, it is waved away as "It was an unfortunate accident, <blah blah rehearsed corporate 'apology' (ass-covering)> and we will take extra steps..." blah blah blah fking blah>
They want ALL the profit, but none of the accountability, and a robot can't be sent to prison.
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True, but driverless cars are an extension of automated machinery. Was it safe? How come it wasn't safe? Who made it unsafe?
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Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: eti on June 09, 2022, 01:30:06 am ---If a human driver kills people, there is accountability. If SOFTWARE does so, it is waved away as "It was an unfortunate accident, <blah blah rehearsed corporate 'apology' (ass-covering)> and we will take extra steps..." blah blah blah fking blah>
They want ALL the profit, but none of the accountability, and a robot can't be sent to prison.
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This pretty much sums up the whole issue. Ask yourself, has anyone gone to jail yet over the two Boeing 737Max crashes? And how many people died in those accidents?
jonpaul:
Besides the crime, filth, homeless, risques of Getting hit by a driverless car or taxi is just another reason to avoid the city altogether.
jon
pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 08, 2022, 03:07:13 am ---A friend of mine predicted years ago that the driverless car thing would be pushed out hastily and then at some point there would be an event or series of events that kills a bunch of people and the whole thing is outlawed, maybe this will play out that way.
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What is hastily? Back in 1995-1998 I was involved in developing a driver-less container transport system called COMBI-ROAD. https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/981940/ At some point in time there was a demonstration of this system scheduled to happen at the same time an American company (don't remember the name) came over to do a demo of a driver-less car. There was this new highway, just finished and not in use yet, reserved for this. (Think it was a section of the A50) The cars drove themselves in series but with a "non driver" behind the wheel to intervene in case of a problem. The faith in the system was not very high ;)
The demonstration for the COMBI-ROAD system was conducted at the same time on a company terrain (At the time I think named Traxis) For the time that the truck was on it's own track there was no driver. It did work quite well, but to be honest the obstacle detection had it's weak points. A person on the track was only detected when the infrared beams were interrupted, so there were spots that the truck would happily smush anyone on the track :o
So now some 25 years later the self driving car is still not safely there :-DD
Sure with AI and cameras a lot is possible, but failure is always there. Humans are unpredictable and with emotions in play there are so many scenarios that can go wrong. Let's be honest we, as drivers in general, are not capable of driving without accidents. Only in a perfect setup where there are no other users on the road self driving cars might do well.
The point of responsibility is very true. Whom to blame if it goes sour |O
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