Dyson's $399 hairdryer

[Homer J Simpson]

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/gadgets/dyson-s-launches-new-399-supersonic-hair-dryer-n563476

Dyson website.

http://www.dyson.com/haircare/supersonic?&mkwid=sinE6TIli_dc&pcrid=106716128059&pkw=%2Bdryer%20%2Bhair&pmt=b&productid=&gclid=CIjD6byMks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA

[raptor1956]

Dyson, the English Apple with the English Steve Jobs.


Brian

[wraper]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

[ZeTeX]

Hairphoolery

[Ampera]

Dyson is like HTC with their Vive.

Their products are worth the money you pay. They deliver for the cost. If you spend 400$ on a hairdryer from Dyson, they will give you a hairdryer that performs the 400$ price tag.

It's just 400$.

Like the HTC Vive, the experience is worth every penny of 800$ and the PC you need to run it, but it's still 800$.

[RGB255_0_0]

$400 I'd expect it to do my household chores and suck me off. Ten times the price so it doesn't give you split ends?

[os40la]

$400 I'd expect it to do my household chores and suck me off. Ten times the price so it doesn't give you split ends?

Then get the VIVE and Dyson and you can have both..   

[edy]

I paid $800+ for a vacuum cleaner made by Miele. This one in fact...



It sucks... I mean it really really sucks!    Still better than any other vacuum we've had. But yes, if you are going to pay that much it better be worth every penny. So I hope this Dyson is the same. Sure it costs a lot but you know what women pay these days for their hair? This may be a cheaper option to give as a gift to your significant other. If only it had blue-tooth connection to your app!

[RGB255_0_0]

$400 I'd expect it to do my household chores and suck me off. Ten times the price so it doesn't give you split ends?

Then get the VIVE and Dyson and you can have both..   

Since VR adoption has plummeted recently, they may well end up being for porn.

Since this thread had now degraded so low and on the porn note, VR needs porn to survive.

[wraper]

Since this thread had now degraded so low and on the porn note, VR needs porn to survive.

Technology of the future.

[Macbeth]

My dad constantly finds Dyson cyclones or whatevers at the council dump and can't resist taking them home (I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill and many a "dustbin raider" has been made an example of in the courts) but he thinks I am insane and the world is insane to stop a guy picking up someones rubbish with an aim to fix it. He is 75 and utterly insane laws like that are absurd to him. They are absurd to me too.

He likes to fix them - they really never have anything bad wrong with them, really simple mechanical fixes, but people chuck them for a new model in a new colour just because they didn't empty the fucking filters.

Unfortunately he involves me when it comes to the electronics... 

But at least I have a constant supply of free Dysons... 

[XOIIO]

I want to see a teardown, I really doubt it had a circuit board all the way around like that.

edit: Oh, is it cordless? From the video it does seem to have it and my first thought is that the handle would be more than enough room but I bet it's cordless too.

edit 2: nope they just put the motor there.

[Ampera]

Since this thread had now degraded so low and on the porn note, VR needs porn to survive.

Technology of the future.

Well that exists.

Either we've hit rock bottom, or this is some perfect 10 I don't know about.

[mikeselectricstuff]

I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill

Under what legislation ?

[XOIIO]

My dad constantly finds Dyson cyclones or whatevers at the council dump and can't resist taking them home (I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill and many a "dustbin raider" has been made an example of in the courts) but he thinks I am insane and the world is insane to stop a guy picking up someones rubbish with an aim to fix it. He is 75 and utterly insane laws like that are absurd to him. They are absurd to me too.

He likes to fix them - they really never have anything bad wrong with them, really simple mechanical fixes, but people chuck them for a new model in a new colour just because they didn't empty the fucking filters.

Unfortunately he involves me when it comes to the electronics... 

But at least I have a constant supply of free Dysons... 

I wouldn't pass up a free one lol. No fucking way would I pay retail though, those desktop ones suck compared to conventional fans.

[mikeselectricstuff]

Wow - it has a "glass bead thermistor"  - at this price I'd want a PT100!

[Ampera]

I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill

Under what legislation ?

In the US it's more of a mildly illegal sorta thing. I wouldn't do it with a cop in front of me, but you wouldn't be taken to court or anything for it, maybe a night in jail at most or a trespassing charge.

[TheBay]

I paid $800+ for a vacuum cleaner made by Miele. This one in fact...



It sucks... I mean it really really sucks!    Still better than any other vacuum we've had. But yes, if you are going to pay that much it better be worth every penny. So I hope this Dyson is the same. Sure it costs a lot but you know what women pay these days for their hair? This may be a cheaper option to give as a gift to your significant other. If only it had blue-tooth connection to your app!

Mine is discontinued now due to EU law, but I have the $1500 model on Amazon. It's amazing. Had a top end Dyson and it was so so.

Also have a Miele washing machine which is superb.

[AntiProtonBoy]

$400 I'd expect it to do my household chores and suck me off.

With a little assistance, a vacuum cleaner will do both.

[timb]

Since this thread had now degraded so low and on the porn note, VR needs porn to survive.

Technology of the future.

*Sighs* This is what happens to sexually repressed cultures.

[Ampera]

Since this thread had now degraded so low and on the porn note, VR needs porn to survive.

Technology of the future.

*Sighs* This is what happens to sexually repressed cultures.

It's Japanese. They are in no way sexually oppressed. They give the US a run for our money.

[raptor1956]

Since this thread had now degraded so low and on the porn note, VR needs porn to survive.

Technology of the future.

*Sighs* This is what happens to sexually repressed cultures.

It's Japanese. They are in no way sexually oppressed. They give the US a run for our money.

Yes, one stroll through the Akihabara will put an end to any thoughts of there "sexual repression."  We stopped in one place that was like six floors of that weird animated/cartoon porn stuff.  To each his own...

I once worked for a Japanese automation company and while installing an automated warehouse system here in Utah I had to have some parts flown in and when they arrived I opened the boxes and the parts were wrapped in newspaper.  I unwrapped them and only later did it occur to me that there was something odd about the newspaper.  So, I went back and gave the paper another look and sure enough it was basically softcore porn.

Nope, not all that repressed.


Brian

[AntiProtonBoy]

Imagine your place getting burgled while wearing that gear, and not even noticing everything was taken, apart from the sofa and the VR rig you were strapped into. 

[SteveyG]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

The AirForce hand dryers are a lot better.

[setq]

Dyson vacuums are pretty good as a whole.  I had one of their upright vacuum cleaners for a good few years but I killed it dead. I just do that with everything I touch eventually. So I hit Amazon and bought a Numatic Henry. Five star reviews galore but it's hopeless. No suck at all, falls to bits all the time, when you pull it around the centre of gravity is so high it ends up on its side and upside down every two minutes, and finally the hose holder is so flimsy it just pulls the whole thing over. The only solution for the suck is to run it bagless and then carefully dump it's insides into the bin without losing them everywhere which is damn hard. I actually want to take it outside and beat it with a cricket bat every time I use it.

But, screw paying Dyson prices. I'll get a couple off eBay/gumtree and fix them next time. Takes about 30 mins to strip one to parts and clean it as they are designed to be repaired. I do this with test gear so why not household appliances.

As for the hair dryer, Bosch do nice hair dryers for less than 1/8 of the cost. There are no nice vacuum cleaners for 1/8 the cost of a Dyson. Ergo, I don't see the cost justification for this hairdryer.

[Zero999]

I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill

Under what legislation ?

Theft. When something is put on the rubbish dump, it becomes the property of the organisation who owns the dump so taking it, without their permission, is theft.

And I doubt that many vacuums go to landfill. The metals are salvaged for scrap and even some of the plastics are recycled.

[SteveyG]

Dyson vacuums are pretty good as a whole.  I had one of their upright vacuum cleaners for a good few years but I killed it dead. I just do that with everything I touch eventually. So I hit Amazon and bought a Numatic Henry. Five star reviews galore but it's hopeless.

Interesting. I have a Numatic George and it's has the greatest airflow and static pressure of any vacuum I've ever experienced. I don't know if things were toned down slightly with the EU restriction on power consumption though.

I currently use a Bosch cordless vacuum for normal cleaning tasks - I've been totally missing out, the brushbar is driven directly by a powerful motor and the cleaning effect is very impressive. I'm sure the lithium cells will only last a couple of years, but it's so convenient and is impressive on battery life.

[setq]

This is one of the new Numatic Henry units that has the High/Low switch on it which is AFAIK to comply with the EU regs. My mum's one dating back to the mid 1980s is just as bad. The George is a completely different unit I think; or at least it looks like it.

I thought about a cordless but I have three children so I need something with a bit more wumph. I can be frequently found vacuuming the dining table after dinner as an example

[Assafl]

I roast and grind for espresso. It once occurred to me to use the (high quality) computer vac to vacuum the grinder. Once is all it took to render the computer vac useless. It took dismantling it and replace the dust bag to get it back into service.

So I bought a rechargeable Dyson. Coffee grinds, micro-mill dust, PCB drilling dust, trimmed component leads, stripped insulation - it will pick up anything.

BTW - so will a shop vac. But my home office workshop is a tiny 2 x 2.7m. A shop vac is way too big.

Expensive - yes. But for certain use cases it is the only thing that works.

[mikeselectricstuff]

I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill

Under what legislation ?

Theft. When something is put on the rubbish dump, it becomes the property of the organisation who owns the dump so taking it, without their permission, is theft.

That depends on the policy of the dump. It may not even have made it there - I've had stuff off  people who were unloading their car at the dump, so it was never the property of the dump operator.

The post implied there was a legal issue recycling items designated as rubbish, which was what I was questioning.

[setq]

Definitely. If it doesn't touch the ground, they don't own it. I regularly come back with more stuff than I took

[VK3DRB]

It sucks... I mean it really really sucks!    Still better than any other vacuum we've had.

I reckon a great advertising slogan for a vacuum cleaner would be "Our products suck... really suck." but I don't know of any advertising agency who has tried that. I own a Dyson vacuum cleaner and have had it for about 14 years. Never had a problem. Minimal maintenance, long life plastics, still sucking hard.

As for the hair drier, such things are targeted at vain western women who are prepared to pay a lot more than men for the same thing like haircuts and cosmetics. Vanity has created a huge industry that is full of quackery. As for me, I get three haircuts a year at the local Greek barber and use the cheapest shampoo I can find. People with dork haircuts remind me to get a haircut occasionally, but I usually say this...

[amyk]

It sucks... I mean it really really sucks!    Still better than any other vacuum we've had.

I reckon a great advertising slogan for a vacuum cleaner would be "Our products suck... really suck." but I don't know of any advertising agency who has tried that.

[Muttley Snickers]

I also found a Dyson vacuum cleaner on the side of the road  and a Howard valve radio  along with an antique sideboard cabinet  and if I didn't save these items they would have been smashed to bits in the back of a compactor  , the council flyer posted prior to the hard rubbish collection did declare that scavenging was frowned upon and should be reported, I don't do it personally but the neighbour can't help himself and reports anything noteworthy, finders reapers I say.

And then last week I filled the back of the ute with a truck load of stuff that I was getting rid of, a few older laptops and tablets, NOS server boards and complete running computers, boxes of CCTV cameras, DVR's, controller keyboards and a host of other nifty gear that I no longer needed, all of it was easily Ebay or weekend market worthy and I just couldn't be bothered listing it.

On arrival at the drive through council recycle centre/ shop the plonker in attendance requested to inspect the goods prior to unloading and then had the audacity to question the value of the goods I was disposing of, he didn't know what most of it was nor what it was worth so I educated him promptly and sternly, what a dickhead he was with no clue whatsoever, I can't imagine the gear that these idiots are turning away for destruction simply because they don't know what it is.

Oops, hairdryer topic, I did it again.   

[Ampera]

I also found a Dyson vacuum cleaner on the side of the road  and a Howard valve radio  along with an antique sideboard cabinet  and if I didn't save these items they would have been smashed to bits in the back of a compactor  , the council flyer posted prior to the hard rubbish collection did declare that scavenging was frowned upon and should be reported, I don't do it personally but the neighbour can't help himself and reports anything noteworthy, finders reapers I say.

And then last week I filled the back of the ute with a truck load of stuff that I was getting rid of, a few older laptops and tablets, NOS server boards and complete running computers, boxes of CCTV cameras, DVR's, controller keyboards and a host of other nifty gear that I no longer needed, all of it was easily Ebay or weekend market worthy and I just couldn't be bothered listing it.

On arrival at the drive through council recycle centre/ shop the plonker in attendance requested to inspect the goods prior to unloading and then had the audacity to question the value of the goods I was disposing of, he didn't know what most of it was nor what it was worth so I educated him promptly and sternly, what a dickhead he was with no clue whatsoever, I can't imagine the gear that these idiots are turning away for destruction simply because they don't know what it is.

Oops, hairdryer topic, I did it again.   

Everybody runs off topic sometimes.

I think everyone here is brushing off the fact someone posted a video about VR porn.

[edy]

Speaking of VR pr0n, here is an example from none other than Star Wars holiday special. Check out the look on Grandpa Chewbacca's face.    As visiting space dude tells him: "Itchy, I know what you'd like. It's one of those.... I don't know how to explain it.... Wow!" 



If anyone has actually watched the entire special, my condolences to you.    There's good reason why Lucas tried to burn and bury ever last tape in existence and erase it from history.

[Ampera]

Speaking of VR pr0n, here is an example from none other than Star Wars holiday special. Check out the look on Grandpa Chewbacca's face.    As visiting space dude tells him: "Itchy, I know what you'd like. It's one of those.... I don't know how to explain it.... Wow!" 



If anyone has actually watched the entire special, my condolences to you.    There's good reason why Lucas tried to burn and bury ever last tape in existence and erase it from history.

I hate Star Wars with a burning passion. I wouldn't cry is every last copy of every last movie, game, and other merchandise was burned and destroyed.

[mikeselectricstuff]

I hate Star Wars with a burning passion. I wouldn't cry is every last copy of every last movie, game, and other merchandise was burned and destroyed.

I've never seen any Star wars film - isn't it just for kids ?                I'll get me coat...

[Ampera]

I hate Star Wars with a burning passion. I wouldn't cry is every last copy of every last movie, game, and other merchandise was burned and destroyed.

I've never seen any Star wars film - isn't it just for kids ?                I'll get me coat...

If you've ever seen Star Trek, a realistic Sci-Fi show, it's not like that. It's more of a Sci-Fi show with a drama/action storyline added on instead of a realistic future showing show.

I just don't get on with it. Sci-Fi for me starts and ends with Star Trek. The closest I come to stepping outside of my boundaries is Astro Boy (Not the movie, the anime/manga) but that is because of the good writing, and great characters, rather than any Sci-Fi deal.

I swear this always happens, we go really off track on these posts. We went from vacuum cleaners, to VR porn, and now into a bound to flame war sci-fi discussion. Just to be fair this is my personal view and opinion, if you like Star Wars, your a fool, your totally welcome to your opinion.

[NottheDan]

Star Trek, realistic? 

But really, one can appreciate both, the epic popcorn space fantasy as well as the moralising utopian fantasy, each for their own qualities without having to choose one or the other.

And science fiction begins and ends in the book shop.

[Ampera]

Star Trek, realistic? 

But really, one can appreciate both, the epic popcorn space fantasy as well as the moralising utopian fantasy, each for their own qualities without having to choose one or the other.

And science fiction begins and ends in the book shop.

By realistic I mean it goes a step farther into explaining how everything works. Parts for the most part have meanings in the show, and situations aren't based on a long running story.

[RGB255_0_0]

Maybe "believable" is a better word than realistic, but I get where you're coming from. Lore is often the more interesting aspect of fiction than the actual shows themselves.

[TheBay]

I hate Star Wars with a burning passion. I wouldn't cry is every last copy of every last movie, game, and other merchandise was burned and destroyed.

I've never seen any Star wars film - isn't it just for kids ?                I'll get me coat...

I can proudly say I've never seen ANY Starwars films, however I did watch that video posted earlier and that I can never un-see!
I do not advise watching it!

[Ampera]

I hate Star Wars with a burning passion. I wouldn't cry is every last copy of every last movie, game, and other merchandise was burned and destroyed.

I've never seen any Star wars film - isn't it just for kids ?                I'll get me coat...

I can proudly say I've never seen ANY Starwars films, however I did watch that video posted earlier and that I can never un-see!
I do not advise watching it!

Didn't even need to tell me once.

[Macbeth]

I've told him it is actually illegal to recycle these items destined for landfill

Under what legislation ?

Theft. When something is put on the rubbish dump, it becomes the property of the organisation who owns the dump so taking it, without their permission, is theft.

That depends on the policy of the dump. It may not even have made it there - I've had stuff off  people who were unloading their car at the dump, so it was never the property of the dump operator.

The post implied there was a legal issue recycling items designated as rubbish, which was what I was questioning.

A quick google gets me this article which really does get me teary eyed and get out the tiny violin. http://www.businesswaste.co.uk/theft-from-rubbish-tips-and-recycling-centres-on-the-rise/#.V9x83ZgrJhE

Now that is a commercial operator. But I have seen in the local paper miscreants being prosecuted for the council tip. But they are a certain 3.141-key miscreant, rather than your average pensioner just trying to do the right thing when it comes to recycling/boredom and car boots.

I've also had the council tip operators tell me I can't take stuff because of "EU law". Then again, most of them will let you take whatever if you give a nod and a wink because they aren't Arnold J Rimmer. 

[timb]

Star Trek, realistic? 

But really, one can appreciate both, the epic popcorn space fantasy as well as the moralising utopian fantasy, each for their own qualities without having to choose one or the other.

And science fiction begins and ends in the book shop.

By realistic I mean it goes a step farther into explaining how everything works. Parts for the most part have meanings in the show, and situations aren't based on a long running story.

Exactly. For example, here is a Galaxy Class Starship Technical Reference Manual published when TNG was on the air. It goes into detail about the construction, operation and maintenance of the various parts of the starship.

[NottheDan]

By realistic I mean it goes a step farther into explaining how everything works. Parts for the most part have meanings in the show, and situations aren't based on a long running story.

Thing is, you could call Star Wars "realistic" by the same metric. In reality most people don't care about how something works as long as it does work. The common example (used outside EE circles) would be the (classic, analogue) TV. For it to work it needs to be plugged in, the aerial needs to be connected and pointing in the right direction and the little tuner dials and switches need to be turned and wiggled just right. That's all most people know and need to know to use and enjoy it. And that's how it is handled in Star Wars. Even when Han repairs a fault in the Millenium Falcon he doesn't re-design the faulty section from base principle but follows a known maintenance manual procedure, tracing the fault to module XX, section YY, point ZZ and then uses the standardised set of tools for that. All the design and innovation happens off-screen at Kuat Drive Yards, at Sienar Fleet Systems and their brethren.

Star Trek on the other hand, to make itself seem 'futurey' and 'advanced' handles its technology a lot like early amateur radio, with its engineers completely rebuilding and redesigning stuff on-the-fly. And it uses (or rather mis-uses) science buzzwords in its technobabble. But that was it still is, babble, made to be recognisable and sound plausible enough to someone unfamiliar with the background but when you know what an event horizon actually is and why it cannot have a "crack" a lot of that breaks down. Same with their "particle of the week". As long as you can keep your brain shut off and just enjoy the show it works, but not any further. It explains things but far too often the explanations are nonsensical.

Exactly. For example, here is a Galaxy Class Starship Technical Reference Manual published when TNG was on the air. It goes into detail about the construction, operation and maintenance of the various parts of the starship.

Detailed fiction still remains fiction. It is neat, it tries to put the plausible parts to the forefront and to disguise the impossible ones enough that they don't become to glaring but you will not be able to build a starship with this book as your guide. And lets not forget that from this book we also learn that a rat and a rubber duck are functional parts of the ship and that they keep a Porsche car and a DC-3 aeroplane on board.

[Ampera]

By realistic I mean it goes a step farther into explaining how everything works. Parts for the most part have meanings in the show, and situations aren't based on a long running story.

Thing is, you could call Star Wars "realistic" by the same metric. In reality most people don't care about how something works as long as it does work. The common example (used outside EE circles) would be the (classic, analogue) TV. For it to work it needs to be plugged in, the aerial needs to be connected and pointing in the right direction and the little tuner dials and switches need to be turned and wiggled just right. That's all most people know and need to know to use and enjoy it. And that's how it is handled in Star Wars. Even when Han repairs a fault in the Millenium Falcon he doesn't re-design the faulty section from base principle but follows a known maintenance manual procedure, tracing the fault to module XX, section YY, point ZZ and then uses the standardised set of tools for that. All the design and innovation happens off-screen at Kuat Drive Yards, at Sienar Fleet Systems and their brethren.

Star Trek on the other hand, to make itself seem 'futurey' and 'advanced' handles its technology a lot like early amateur radio, with its engineers completely rebuilding and redesigning stuff on-the-fly. And it uses (or rather mis-uses) science buzzwords in its technobabble. But that was it still is, babble, made to be recognisable and sound plausible enough to someone unfamiliar with the background but when you know what an event horizon actually is and why it cannot have a "crack" a lot of that breaks down. Same with their "particle of the week". As long as you can keep your brain shut off and just enjoy the show it works, but not any further. It explains things but far too often the explanations are nonsensical.

Exactly. For example, here is a Galaxy Class Starship Technical Reference Manual published when TNG was on the air. It goes into detail about the construction, operation and maintenance of the various parts of the starship.

Detailed fiction still remains fiction. It is neat, it tries to put the plausible parts to the forefront and to disguise the impossible ones enough that they don't become to glaring but you will not be able to build a starship with this book as your guide. And lets not forget that from this book we also learn that a rat and a rubber duck are functional parts of the ship and that they keep a Porsche car and a DC-3 aeroplane on board.

You also have to understand that Star Trek is a big franchise. You have I think 6 TV shows, 10 movies (JJ Abrams doesn't count, his movies are rubbish), a host of video games, books, and comics. There is media written and designed by different people, and with different levels of good tech descriptions being made up. TOS is a bit blah blah random tech, stock Sci-Fi show from the 60's, but the TNG improves on that dramatically, and then when you get to the further on shows like DS9 and VOY, the tech starts to pull together. The movies don't really focus on that, probably to keep the non Star Trek fans in the audience from clawing their face off.

[NottheDan]

On the other hand, when TNG first aired I found it to be a huge let-down on the story and character side. All that shiny new tech and it's full of pod people.

[Ampera]

On the other hand, when TNG first aired I found it to be a huge let-down on the story and character side. All that shiny new tech and it's full of pod people.

TNG was a step into a different direction, started by the movies. I doubt Star Trek would be as popular today if they kept TOS style.

[NottheDan]

On the other hand, when TNG first aired I found it to be a huge let-down on the story and character side. All that shiny new tech and it's full of pod people.

TNG was a step into a different direction, started by the movies. I doubt Star Trek would be as popular today if they kept TOS style.

Yeah, TNG did a lot wrong, starting with the insistence that each episode has to stand alone and its self-indulgent incestuous writing. Some of it got worked out later on, a lot of it stayed. But it certainly revived the franchise and paved the way for some of the best stories in the franchise.

[lapm]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

Blows bacteria in air more efficiently then competitors as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/dyson-airblades-spread-germs-1300-times-more-than-paper-towels/

[Ampera]

On the other hand, when TNG first aired I found it to be a huge let-down on the story and character side. All that shiny new tech and it's full of pod people.

TNG was a step into a different direction, started by the movies. I doubt Star Trek would be as popular today if they kept TOS style.

Yeah, TNG did a lot wrong, starting with the insistence that each episode has to stand alone and its self-indulgent incestuous writing. Some of it got worked out later on, a lot of it stayed. But it certainly revived the franchise and paved the way for some of the best stories in the franchise.

You can imagine it as this

TOS - The first experiment gone popular, drew the first people in

TAS - There was an animated series? Yes there was, an extension of TOS, it was more of an experiment gone wrong, and only lasted a couple seasons. I would watch it, but as an occasional gag, not as a serious watch.

TNG - Brought major popularity to the series. It was the first experience of Star Trek for most, and was designed so newcomers would get hooked. Having the episodes being separate stories was more of a choice to make sure that anyone could click on and just start watching. Some might find this annoying, but I do not.

VOY & DS9 - Where the series got good. To me these are where they tried different formats, and it appealed to the original crowd they drew in. It was my second set of series I watched, and let me tell you I was happy I did. I love these series, and while TNG is good for watching any old day, when I am binge watching I normally flip to these.

ENT -  An underrated, yet flawed series. It had a load of crap with too many episodes being dedicated to pretty much the same thing, making long boring episodes. It did have it's gems though, and there were interesting episodes without a doubt.

And another word. Every mirror universe episode SUCKED among ANY series. It was just stupid.

[rdl]

As far as the movies go, Star Trek was at its best when time travel was involved. Only "The Wrath of Khan" beats "The Voyage Home" and "First Contact". Several of the better original series episodes also involved time travel, including the one many would say is the best ever, ''The City on the Edge of Forever''.

[Homer J Simpson]

Just to keep it off topic, (but interesting), I added a poll for the Star Trek series.

IMO DS9

[setq]

TNG or die.

Picard was the father figure in my life.

[NottheDan]

Let me comment on these two points here.

TOS - The first experiment gone popular, drew the first people in

One of the strengths of TOS (that in quite a few episodes turned into just as much of a weakness) was that it was written by veteran tv writers and not specifically Star Trek writers. That gave it stories that worked because they were about relatable, universal issues and they were resolved in equally relatable ways. Too often the later series indulged in their own Star Trek-ness with contrived and fake answers to moral questions (Prime Directive, I'm looking at you).

And another word. Every mirror universe episode SUCKED among ANY series. It was just stupid.

I have to disagree. The TOS episode was certainly no shining beacon of quality but it was a silly entertaining romp. The other ones suffer from the typical failings you see in Star Trek again and again - copying elements from TOS without the context that made them work, trying to give "depth" to something that originally only worked because it was a one-off you didn't look too closely at.

[Cyberdragon]

How the hell did this turn into a Star Trek discussion? (BTW did anyone catch the marathon a week ago )

I think it needs to go back on topic....ISH!

"Now class, if we stick the tube of a Dyson vacuum cleaner into the end of a Dyson blow dryer, what will happen if we activate both devices?
A. A rift in space-time
B. Two blown motors
C. Photonicinduction appears and destroys them
D. The breaker trips
Lets find out..."

*click* *WHHHHIIIIIIIRRRRRR!!!!*
*POOOOOF!*
"Where's my 'ammer?!..."
"Naw...you're doing in wrong! We need the Big Boy supply!"
*BZZZZZZAAAAAP!*
"I popped 'em!"
*POOOOOF!*

"So if you answered C you were correct! Voltamort approves!"

[Ampera]

How the hell did this turn into a Star Trek discussion? (BTW did anyone catch the marathon a week ago )

I think it needs to go back on topic....ISH!

"Now class, if we stick the tube of a Dyson vacuum cleaner into the end of a Dyson blow dryer, what will happen if we activate both devices?
A. A rift in space-time
B. Two blown motors
C. Photonicinduction appears and destroys them
D. The breaker trips
Lets find out..."

*click* *WHHHHIIIIIIIRRRRRR!!!!*
*POOOOOF!*
"Where's my 'ammer?!..."
"Naw...you're doing in wrong! We need the Big Boy supply!"
*BZZZZZZAAAAAP!*
"I popped 'em!"
*POOOOOF!*

"So if you answered C you were correct! Voltamort approves!"

Oh, you wanna know? It went from Dyson stuff, to VR porn, to bad holiday specials, to Star Trek.

[Towger]

I recently watched the animated series on Netflix.  The holadeck and the Q type character came from it.  Then there is the debate why Gene Roddenberry as an atheist felt the need to invent a god race/character in the startrek universe....

Back on topic.  I was at a show a few months ago there Dyson had a large stand dedicated to showing off his hair dryer.  90% of the people there were women, but no one was interested in looking at it!

[Back2Volts]

I have browsed the thread and I do not think this has been posted yet

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/commercial---the-dyson-toilet/n11854

[timb]

How the hell did this turn into a Star Trek discussion? (BTW did anyone catch the marathon a week ago )

On BBC America? Yes, it was awesome. The first two seasons of TOS, uncut. It was awesome! Now they're running episodes every Friday starting at 4pm.

BBC America has become The Star Trek Channel. They run TNG all the time (late at night, normally). Plus the movies.

Anyway, as a kid, I never liked Star Trek. My best friend was a huge fan though and grew up on it. I was always more into Star Wars, but maybe that's because I was born in the early 80's and that was my first experience with Sci-Fi.

Star Wars had a lot more action to it, which held my attention better (I blame the ADHD). It wasn't until I was in my late teens that Star Trek finally clicked for me.

By the way, the last TNG movie is shit and I hate them for killing Data off. While the effects shots are amazing, the whole movie is just terrible. You can tell the director had never seen a single episode of TNG.

Edit: To make this more on topic... Remember the TNG episode where they discover the Dyson Sphere and there's a ship crashed on the surface. They beam over and find a pattern stored in the transporter buffer. They materialize it and it's none other than Scotty! <3

[edy]

Ironic how a post on Dyson goes off topic and now debating Star Trek vs Star Wars... but yet can still somehow tie in if we bring up the Dyson sphere! 

http://www.startrek.com/database_article/dyson-sphere

[NottheDan]

Different Dyson though.

[timb]

Different Dyson though.

True. Here is the "correct" Dyson Sphere:



Now we've come full circle!

Edit: Theee circleeee, the cirrrrclllee of liiifeee!!! Star Trek: The Next Circle

[setq]

My head hurts now

[Delta]

Who'd have thought it; an electronics forum is full of sad Star Trek / Wars nerds....!

[NottheDan]

Who'd have thought it; an electronics forum is full of sad Star Trek / Wars nerds....!

Mostly it is full of happy nerds.

[Red Squirrel]

Dyson reminds me a lot of Apple.  They can make something that is overpriced for what it is, and people will still buy it.  You can put a lot of time and effort into something like a blow dryer and it might really be worth a couple hundred bucks when you consider the R&D and stuff that may have gone into it.... but it's still just a blow dryer! 

[Cyberdragon]

How about we all just go back to using these



And forget about the whole thing.

[whitevamp]

older topic but had to post this one.
AVE did a tear down of this.

[coppice]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

Mitsubishi made similar products long before Dyson, and they work a lot better.

[HP-ILnerd]

The AvE teardown is interesting.  That motor!  Didn't expect something like that in a hair dryer!

[eugenenine]

Dyson, the English Apple with the English Steve Jobs.


Brian

Unlike Apple though, Dyson's stuff actually does work better than the competition. 
The downside is it works maybe 2x better than the competition, not the 10x than the competition that its price implies.

[wraper]

The AvE teardown is interesting.  That motor!  Didn't expect something like that in a hair dryer!

I watched it and couldn't get if he's an idiot or not. A lot of his "technical" comments revealed he don't know what is talking about.

[Cyberdragon]

The AvE teardown is interesting.  That motor!  Didn't expect something like that in a hair dryer!

I watched it and couldn't get if he's an idiot or not. A lot of his "technical" comments revealed he don't what is talking about.

He has his own form of slang for everything, you have know it to understand anything.

[amyk]

The AvE teardown is interesting.  That motor!  Didn't expect something like that in a hair dryer!

I was really hoping he'd run it on the bench and see what sort of airflow it produces... it's only single-phase so I wonder how they get it to turn in the right direction. Possibly a shaded-pole design?

[Zero999]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

Blows bacteria in air more efficiently then competitors as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/dyson-airblades-spread-germs-1300-times-more-than-paper-towels/

Yes, I've never believed Dyson's hygiene marketing and their response to the research only compares it to paper towels, rather than other dryers. I'm not surprised a Dyson dryer is less hygienic than other driers: there's a nice channel for dirt to collect in and it's quite likely one will touch the sides where plenty of other wet hands have been.

[wraper]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

Blows bacteria in air more efficiently then competitors as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/dyson-airblades-spread-germs-1300-times-more-than-paper-towels/

Yes, I've never believed Dyson's hygiene marketing and their response to the research only compares it to paper towels, rather than other dryers. I'm not surprised a Dyson dryer is less hygienic than other driers: there's a nice channel for dirt to collect in and it's quite likely one will touch the sides where plenty of other wet hands have been.

Bullshit research and not real use test. You dry clean hands, not putting the dirt into the stream of air. Also that air flow is so high, that unlikely any dirt can get in the openings from the other side.

"They have tested glove covered hands, which have been contaminated with unrealistically high levels of bacteria, and not washed."

Water contaminated with bacteria? Then everything around water taps and your hands are contaminated already, even without hand dryer.

[NiHaoMike]

So that "power brick" is basically one of those "plug in energy savers". I was expecting a power supply and/or GFCI.

Didn't Dave buy a Dyson cordless vacuum a few years back? Where's the teardown?

[mikeselectricstuff]

So that "power brick" is basically one of those "plug in energy savers". I was expecting a power supply and/or GFCI.

Didn't Dave buy a Dyson cordless vacuum a few years back? Where's the teardown?

Brick will be for it to meet EMC regs - pretty ugly.
Might make a good flamethrower if you substitute the inbound cold air with something flammable.

[Zero999]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

Blows bacteria in air more efficiently then competitors as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/dyson-airblades-spread-germs-1300-times-more-than-paper-towels/

Yes, I've never believed Dyson's hygiene marketing and their response to the research only compares it to paper towels, rather than other dryers. I'm not surprised a Dyson dryer is less hygienic than other driers: there's a nice channel for dirt to collect in and it's quite likely one will touch the sides where plenty of other wet hands have been.

Bullshit research and not real use test. You dry clean hands, not putting the dirt into the stream of air. Also that air flow is so high, that unlikely any dirt can get in the openings from the other side.

"They have tested glove covered hands, which have been contaminated with unrealistically high levels of bacteria, and not washed."

Water contaminated with bacteria? Then everything around water taps and your hands are contaminated already, even without hand dryer.

The trouble is not everyone washes their hands properly. If they did, it wouldn't be a problem but unfortunately if someone uses the dryer when their hands are not very clean, they will contaminate it.

[NottheDan]

Water contaminated with bacteria? Then everything around water taps and your hands are contaminated already, even without hand dryer.

Neither your hands nor the taps aerosolize the contaminated water to create the danger of you breathing in those bacteria.

[Corporate666]

Don't own any Dyson products, but their airblade hand dryers which I often find in airports blow the shit out of any competitors.

Late on the reply to this, but...

I HATE those airblade things.

I feel like I am playing that game "Operation".  I am a tall guy and have big hands (I guess).  I stick them in the channel and I am trying to carefully extract them while avoiding touching the bottom of sides.  Invariably I fail and then I feel I need to wash my hands again.

It reminds me of the stupid fan.  And this stupid hairdryer.  A solution to a problem that never existed in the first place.  Dyson seems to be a guy that is wealth enough to sit around saying "wouldn't it be cool if...." and has the cash to actually create those silly products and the marketing muscle to market those shit ideas into existence.  The mind boggles.

The best hand dryer I ever used was just like a regular one but it said something like "FEEL THE POWER!" on the top - and boy did it ever blow hard and hot.  It was great.  That was a better mousetrap and it made an impression.

[rob77]

The trouble is not everyone washes their hands properly. If they did, it wouldn't be a problem but unfortunately if someone uses the dryer when their hands are not very clean, they will contaminate it.

or even worse 

[Red Squirrel]

 

Dyson actually reminds me a lot of Apple, they can come up with a cool looking design, perhaps make the product a bit better than competitors, and then marketing takes over from there and people eat it up even at  5x the price.

[steverino]

The trouble is not everyone washes their hands properly. If they did, it wouldn't be a problem but unfortunately if someone uses the dryer when their hands are not very clean, they will contaminate it.

or even worse 

I just used one of those for the first time last week.  I found it impossible to use it without my hands coming in contact where every other hand has been. Fail.

[edy]

I was at a fancy new building downtown last year and first and only time I ever encountered a public washroom with one of these in it....

[Habropoda]

Consumer Reports lists their vacuums generally in the "meh" category and their reliability record is pretty bad.

I think their idea is to differentiate themselves in crowded markets with a wow factor, marketing and high prices.  Their products are pretty poor but their strategy is certainly working.

[IanB]

Consumer Reports lists their vacuums generally in the "meh" category and their reliability record is pretty bad.

I think their idea is to differentiate themselves in crowded markets with a wow factor, marketing and high prices.  Their products are pretty poor but their strategy is certainly working.

I dropped by Bed, Bath and Beyond at the start of summer and passed by their display of fans. All the normal fans were about $50, and then the Dyson fan was over $300. But on the display, all the fans were making a noise and blowing air. I really didn't see why anyone would spend six times as much for basically the same thing.

[Red Squirrel]

The trouble is not everyone washes their hands properly. If they did, it wouldn't be a problem but unfortunately if someone uses the dryer when their hands are not very clean, they will contaminate it.

or even worse 

I just used one of those for the first time last week.  I found it impossible to use it without my hands coming in contact where every other hand has been. Fail.

Yeah I've run into those every now and then when traveling and I found it a bit awkward as I had to watch not to touch it.   Give me the old fashioned "press button, receive bacon" hand dryers any day.

[Macbeth]

Meh, useless newfangled handwashing tat! Stick to the old fashioned trough...

[RGB255_0_0]

Meh, useless newfangled handwashing tat! Stick to the old fashioned trough...

I knew I shouldn't have watched that as I was eating my tea... 

[Red Squirrel]

That's a really weird urinal though, and right in the open like that!     As someone with paruresis I would dread whatever that place is.

[SeanB]

Beats the ones i used to use, the name we used would get me banned here on the forum though.  Think of a Vuvuzela with the small end in the ground, and you used the large open end. The toilet itself was a pit latrine, a long bench seat over a slit trench. No, I did not feel like having to go for 2 weeks, so ate the bare minimum of bulk, but drank a lot of water. At the end of that 2 weeks we all were the same shade of brown, hair, skin, clothes, the lot. Cold shower was good, we were not going to wait for the water to heat up in the coal stove, just did the wet, lather, rinse, repeat routine in the nice bracing winter.

[NottheDan]

That's a really weird urinal though, and right in the open like that!     As someone with paruresis I would dread whatever that place is.

What's weird about it? They are fairly common wherever large numbers of men need to empty their bladders. Now the one in the video is a mobile one. I suspect most festivalgoers needing to use it are beyond caring.

[Macbeth]

That's a really weird urinal though, and right in the open like that!     As someone with paruresis I would dread whatever that place is.

What's weird about it? They are fairly common wherever large numbers of men need to empty their bladders. Now the one in the video is a mobile one. I suspect most festivalgoers needing to use it are beyond caring.

I've seen many "pissbuck" (is that the Dutch term from the video?) like that in pubs and clubs (Student Union springs to mind). Nothing like the bare minimum cheap arse construction of a trough to get the job done. I've even witnessed a girl next to me manage to piss in one of them at a Manic Street Preachers concert back in the '90s. Standing up not squatting either, no she-wee back then! 

[wraper]

[Sal Ammoniac]

That's a really weird urinal though, and right in the open like that!     As someone with paruresis I would dread whatever that place is.

I guess you would dread a typical army latrine even more.

[Buriedcode]

Good to see a topic that started out talking about Dyson products is now covering piss - perhaps in reference to what he's taking.  He's made his money not from new technology, but heavy marketing - and those who are prone to believing bullshit, but have just enough wherewithal to draw the line at crystal healing and alien technology.

There was a gap in the market though.  I mean for those who like to spend money, and want to justify their heavy consumerism, surely creating something that appears futuristic from a rather mundane appliance is perfect for them.  Like the laser razor (although that doesn't actually exist).

[Cyberdragon]

This topic has devolved into so many different topics it's hard to keep track of them.

[wraper]

Good to see a topic that started out talking about Dyson products is now covering piss - perhaps in reference to what he's taking.  He's made his money not from new technology, but heavy marketing - and those who are prone to believing bullshit, but have just enough wherewithal to draw the line at crystal healing and alien technology.

Not true, they make money by both. Dyson made first cyclone vacuum cleaners. Their hand dryers and this hair dryer are quiet different in technology from what competitors do offer.

[wraper]

Yeah I've run into those every now and then when traveling and I found it a bit awkward as I had to watch not to touch it.   Give me the old fashioned "press button, receive bacon" hand dryers any day.

I just don't use those if I see them. I search for paper towels, and if there is none just don't dry my hands as those dryers are nearly useless anyway, and hands won't be dry unless I stand there for a few minutes. Also "press the button" everyone presses? Then you may just touch the dyson dryer as well.

Yeah I've run into those every now and then when traveling and I found it a bit awkward as I had to watch not to touch it.

There are newer types which blow the air from one side only.

[Zero999]

Also "press the button" everyone presses? Then you may just touch the dyson dryer as well.

I agree about the button. I like powerful driers with a proximity sensor, so I don't have to touch anything. They're also much more hygienic and probably cheaper than the shitty Dyson dryer.

[SeanB]

The dryers range in price from $100 up. For $100 I bought a IR sensing one for work, to replace an old dead one which used capacitive sensing. Pics to follow of the old one with the burned out relay, dating from the 1980's.

[sony mavica]

my $18nzd one works fine or just use a towel