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Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« on: March 22, 2020, 10:43:38 am »
Hello,
I  have been invited to join  a  potentially very lucrative  “electronics  company”  on a £200k/yr salary.
Should I take the job?

The idea is that we “produce” architectural lighting products, eg “wall-washers” , color changing lights etc etc.
The idea is that we design a few prototype products ourselves, and then show these to politicians, heads of innovation funds, potential investors,  etc etc.
They will then give us the innovation funding that we need to live……..them thinking that we are a real British Designer company......big up the British (corrected spelling) electronics design sector etc etc!!

At this point, we can then take our products to trade shows, where we can meet our potential customers…
When we have the customer contact details, we then bring in our associated  Chinese Lighting Designer company…….they will design and make the actual products for us…at a price that the customers won’t be able to refuse. Since we  will  have the customer  contact details, we can then  match the European customers with our  associated Chinese  company….we then sit there and get well minted…making a fortune!!...just middle –manning the products through!

Perfect isn’t it?

Some say that the Chinese are actually, at this point, mainly interested in knocking out European Electronics design capability by flooding  our market with cheap Chinese products, so that means that the Chinese company won’t even be interested in making much profit….so that means more profit for us !!!

Because I have  formal electronics qualifications, I am needed to kind of make  the British company look like a bona fide electronics company…which of course it will not really be….it will simply be a “middle-man”...

When we have domination of the architectural lighting market, we can then further our engineering contacts in China, and then extend our ploy into other areas like electric car chargers etc etc.
The Chinese products are of excellent quality, since the Chinese are now the world’s best power supply engineering designers. …And when we have shipped millions of products to millions of happy European customers, we can use this to attract even more customers...

There is one worry, and that is that we will have to visit China regularly in order to assure that our products are being manufactured in a  suitable quality way. There is fear that we could contract coronavirus…..or even that the British government will in future ban travel to China….but we believe that COVID19 will blow over…and has already been totally eradicated in China(?)…China  is now the world’s safest place for COVID19(?)...and the chinese  markets where livestock are slaughtered  on site and result in virus spread will simply close now?
What do you think?
Should I take the job?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2020, 07:48:46 pm by treez »
 

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2020, 10:49:31 am »
Yes, you should take the job.

It will occupy you so completely that you won't have time to post on this forum.
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2020, 11:04:20 am »
After all this coronavirus thing (hopefully) settles up, you should really see a mental health specialist. Obsessions and paranoia are often successfully and relatively effortlessly cured e.g. with antidepressants. While we, the forum members, are free to give your threads a pass right after noticing your nick, it seems to really suck to be you. For the sake of your own well-being and those close to you, please seek the help of a specialist.
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2020, 11:11:14 am »
This has to be a troll post. Obviously you take the job.

Then, you leak all of the corporate plans from the company. You watch it crash and burn, whilst still collecting your ridiculous salary. You help the British industry by badmouthing "your" company behind their back.

Then, after the company is bankrupt in five years, you walk away and go work for someone good. Unless you have already acquired the 'rona.
Get Treez or his "imaginary friend" to work in this imaginary company and its in (imaginary) bankrupt automatically. 
Haven't figured it out if he is just stupid, trolling or plain nutcase. Or all of the mentioned.
 
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2020, 11:16:39 am »
I like his posts and find them entertaining.

Yes, the Chinese might forbid people from any covid-19 affected area from entering the country.

Of course he should take the job, if it's that easy, silly question really.
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2020, 12:09:03 pm »
This reminds me of the ads "I earn $20/hour working at home trolling internet forums"  :-DD

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2020, 12:17:44 pm »
So you will be the token EE. If you also have
  • someone who does good industrial design,
  • someone who oversees prototype manufacturing,
  • someone who does a credible job talking to investors and funding agencies,
  • someone who is good at selling your products to customers,
  • someone who identifies and manages offshore contract manufacturers, and cracks the whip to ensure quality,
this might actually work. And all of you might find that you are doing actual work to earn your money.
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2020, 12:22:07 pm »
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So you will be the token EE. If you also have

    someone who does good industrial design,
    someone who oversees prototype manufacturing,
    someone who does a credible job talking to investors and funding agencies,
    someone who is good at selling your products to customers,
    someone who identifies and manages offshore contract manufacturers, and cracks the whip to ensure quality,

this might actually work. And all of you might find that you are doing actual work to earn your money.

Thanks, many have done this kind of thing with the above skills only possessed in very  small quantitys.

..the main point is your one about "someone who is good at selling your products to customers,"...that is key...absolutely.
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2020, 04:42:38 pm »
Thanks, many have done this kind of thing with the above skills only possessed in very  small quantitys.
Why, yes!  Check out the topics in this general chat section on Elizabeth Holmes and Meredith Perry, for instance.
They did something quite like this, but it is not likely to end up so well for them.

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2020, 05:21:12 pm »
I  have been invited to join  a  potentially very lucrative  “electronics  company”  on a £200k/yr salary.
Should I take the job?

If the offer is serious, sure. It may be just a 2-3-year job though, so be prepared for that. But that's good money, and you seem so fed up with the company you work at that it would do good to your health anyway.

There is one worry, and that is that we will have to visit China regularly in order to assure that our products are being manufactured in a  suitable quality way. There is fear that we could contract coronavirus…..or even that the British government will in future ban travel to China….but we believe that COVID19 will blow over…

Nobody really knows, but I'm pretty sure either the crisis will be over and things will get back pretty much as they were before, so no worry there, or it won't and if any serious business with China (and possibly other parts of the world) becomes severely compromised in a lasting way, the virus may become the last of our concerns eventually.
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2020, 05:26:01 pm »

"They will then give us the innovation funding that we need to live"

I don't understand?

Who would be writing your paycheck every week?
That's all you need to know.

If you are paying yourself until money starts to come from an unknown source at an unknown time than that is not a job.
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2020, 07:06:36 pm »
Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?

(1) Money doesn't grow on TREEZ's, £200k/yr sounds like nonsense and/or a scam.

(2) Does TREEZ's stand for:
TRolling
EEvblogerZ's
Some/All of the time ?

(3) Saying stuff like..

There is one worry, and that is that we will have to visit China regularly in order to assure that our products are being manufactured in a  suitable quality way. There is fear that we could contract coronavirus…..or even that the British government will in future ban travel to China….but we believe that COVID19 will blow over…and has already been totally eradicated in China(?)…China  is now the world’s safest place for COVID19(?)...and the chinese  markets where livestock are slaughtered  on site and result in virus spread will simply close now?
What do you think?
Should I take the job?

Would seem to be further evidence of trolling attempts.

them thinking that we are a real British Designer company......big up the Brish electronics design sector etc etc!!

That is very TREEZonous.
Is your spelling of "Brish" a freudian slip, i.e. a sign of something ?
Maybe, that you are trying to troll us ?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2020, 07:29:55 pm by MK14 »
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2020, 07:53:02 pm »
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    them thinking that we are a real British Designer company......big up the Brish electronics design sector etc etc!!


That is very TREEZonous.
Thanks...that...is the modus operandi of  a massive number of UK electronics co's, as well as many in the Western world.
Nobody does anything about it.
 

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2020, 08:10:14 pm »
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    them thinking that we are a real British Designer company......big up the Brish electronics design sector etc etc!!


That is very TREEZonous.
Thanks...that...is the modus operandi of  a massive number of UK electronics co's, as well as many in the Western world.
Nobody does anything about it.

If a company, can buy perfectly good components (not made in the UK, e.g. China), that meet their specifications, and are basically reliable and durable. At considerable cost savings. Then that is typically where companies will source their components from.
It has been like that for hundreds of years.

E.g. The Raspberry PI 4, is designed and manufactured in the UK (if I remember/understand correctly), and costs around £35 retail.

Presumably (some of its parts are from China), but if ALL of its parts had to come from the UK only.

It would probably be considerably more expensive, and significantly worse.
E.g. Because the best UK manufactured microprocessor/microcontroller chips (if there are still any), would probably be significantly slower and more expensive, than the one they currently use.
(Although ironically, because it is ultimately an 'Arm' based cpu, it is basically 'British' designed, although some other countries are also involved).

I'm not sure of the latest/last/best 'pure' UK manufactured cpu.
Perhaps it is the Inmos Transputer cpus ?
From a very long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transputer

tl;dr

Would people prefer a powerful/useful £35, somewhat UK/British Raspberry PI 4 ?

Or would they buy a £150 (guesstimate), pure UK manufactured, 8 bit, 1 MHz cpu, 4K Ram version ?
(Call it the RaspberryZX82).
Which is 0.00000000000000000001 times faster, has 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001 times more Ram.
A hex keypad, so you can type in the monitor every time you boot it up, as it has no (UK availability) for ROM flash storage .
Uses 10 times more power.
And runs, the latest version of Linux, Interpreted Basic, hand assembled machine code.
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2020, 08:26:55 pm »
Has that company already mentioned the £20k consulting fee you have to pay to get the job? ;D
 
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2020, 08:41:25 pm »
You should probably inform the British Intelligence service whoever they are as this sounds like industrial espionage! I am appalled that you are even thinking of this and discussing it in a forum where EE enthusiasts gather to solve each others' problems and teach/help in the process. Unless you are a Chinese national floating the idea to gather what kind of response you could get, you should be scared. Just my opinion.
 
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2020, 09:07:39 pm »
You should probably inform the British Intelligence service whoever they are as this sounds like industrial espionage!

You must have misunderstood treez' "business model". Clearly no industrial espionage, since no UK techology is involved, let alone transferred to a third party. But good old subsidy fraud, at least to get things started.  :-\
 
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2020, 09:09:16 pm »
I've seen this one. They'll use you for your extensive knowledge of the british street light industry then they'll shoot you and your wife in front of a theater when you aren't of use anymore. Your kid will be raised by your butler and, one long dark night where street lights were cut off by a crime syndicate, be bitten by a coronavirus-carrying bat. He'll then use all the power supply technology you left behind to fight crime and bring back justice to North Cheshire.

There's also a sassy sidekick and a cat but that's for another issue.
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2020, 10:03:42 pm »
I'm not sure of the latest/last/best 'pure' UK manufactured cpu.
Perhaps it is the Inmos Transputer cpus ?
From a very long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transputer

The modern descendent is the XMOS xCORE embedded microcontroller devices running xC.
32 core 4000 MIPS (espandable) chips with hard realtime characteristics unlike any other processor. The IDE examines the optimised code and specifies the min/max code execution times - none of that hit and miss "run the code and hope we notice the worst case" rubbish :)
They are are effectively MCUs which are halfway towards FPGA characteristics.

Occam is now xC, and coupled with the comms fabric and processors, they are a delight to use.

Commercially successful, buy them at DigiKey and elsewhere https://www.digikey.co.uk/products/en?keywords=xmos
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2020, 10:07:25 pm »
You really enjoy those xCORE chips, don't you? ;D
 
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2020, 10:28:11 pm »
You really enjoy those xCORE chips, don't you? ;D

Yes, I do! I also like removing ignorance :)

Using them is surprisingly easy and fun, in a way I haven't experienced since the 80s :) Better that than fighting errata and weird corner cases found in many modern chips. What's not to like about that!
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2020, 12:10:15 am »
The modern descendent is the XMOS xCORE embedded microcontroller devices running xC.
32 core 4000 MIPS (espandable) chips with hard realtime characteristics unlike any other processor. The IDE examines the optimised code and specifies the min/max code execution times - none of that hit and miss "run the code and hope we notice the worst case" rubbish :)
They are are effectively MCUs which are halfway towards FPGA characteristics.

Occam is now xC, and coupled with the comms fabric and processors, they are a delight to use.

Commercially successful, buy them at DigiKey and elsewhere https://www.digikey.co.uk/products/en?keywords=xmos

For some real-time/embedded applications, that feature, can be very useful.

E.g. Some kind of Robot, 3d-printer, multiple-MEMS-Microphones, or multiple high speed motors, with Quadrature sensing. May find the independent cpu cores and hence predictable, low latency interrupts and other operations. Allow better real time embedded software systems, to be created.

Because, in some application areas, 2 to 120 microseconds worth of interrupt latency, can make the difference between the system working, very smoothly and glitch free.
As opposed to, a significant latency, of perhaps 100 micro seconds. Which is too long for some applications.

FPGAs, although tending to be very fast as well. Can present a very steep, long and somewhat expensive, learning curve. The parts can be pricey, as well.
Whereas, microcontrollers, can be programmed by, potentially more plentiful software/electronics engineers.
I.e. Proper/experienced FPGA engineers, tend to be in much shorter supply, and potentially more expensive to employ. The code tends to be less portable, and more time-consuming to create, as well.

On the other hand, there are things which can convert C(/C++ ?) or C like languages, into FPGA code (VHDL/Verilog), and ASICs, can be a cheaper alternative to FPGAs.
Also, if your production volumes allow it, and you can afford the high initial engineering costs (NRE), and extra time it takes, to get it to market. Then ASICs could be the way to go.

But, opinions do vary. Some think that FPGAs, are as easy as mcus (microcontrollers).
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2020, 12:34:55 am »
The modern descendent is the XMOS xCORE embedded microcontroller devices running xC.
32 core 4000 MIPS (espandable) chips with hard realtime characteristics unlike any other processor. The IDE examines the optimised code and specifies the min/max code execution times - none of that hit and miss "run the code and hope we notice the worst case" rubbish :)
They are are effectively MCUs which are halfway towards FPGA characteristics.

Occam is now xC, and coupled with the comms fabric and processors, they are a delight to use.

Commercially successful, buy them at DigiKey and elsewhere https://www.digikey.co.uk/products/en?keywords=xmos

For some real-time/embedded applications, that feature, can be very useful.

E.g. Some kind of Robot, 3d-printer, multiple-MEMS-Microphones, or multiple high speed motors, with Quadrature sensing. May find the independent cpu cores and hence predictable, low latency interrupts and other operations. Allow better real time embedded software systems, to be created.

Because, in some application areas, 2 to 120 microseconds worth of interrupt latency, can make the difference between the system working, very smoothly and glitch free.
As opposed to, a significant latency, of perhaps 100 micro seconds. Which is too long for some applications.

FPGAs, although tending to be very fast as well. Can present a very steep, long and somewhat expensive, learning curve. The parts can be pricey, as well.
Whereas, microcontrollers, can be programmed by, potentially more plentiful software/electronics engineers.
I.e. Proper/experienced FPGA engineers, tend to be in much shorter supply, and potentially more expensive to employ. The code tends to be less portable, and more time-consuming to create, as well.

On the other hand, there are things which can convert C(/C++ ?) or C like languages, into FPGA code (VHDL/Verilog), and ASICs, can be a cheaper alternative to FPGAs.
Also, if your production volumes allow it, and you can afford the high initial engineering costs (NRE), and extra time it takes, to get it to market. Then ASICs could be the way to go.

But, opinions do vary. Some think that FPGAs, are as easy as mcus (microcontrollers).

Yup.

Effectively there are no interrupts in xCORE processors: you simply dedicate a core to an i/o port and (if necessary) it sleeps until the input has arrived. The language has primitives indicating the clock cycle on which output will occur, or capturing the clock cycle on which input did occur.

To a useful approximation inter-core comms is the same as i/o: messages to/from other cores are identical to "messages" to/from i/o ports.

I'm far from being an expert in xCORE or xC, but it just worked as I wanted it to work, as stated in the documentation and as I would expect it to work. Stunningly pain-free, unlike other MCUs with their strange i/o config registers etc :)
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2020, 12:36:06 am »
Someone seems to have stolen your thread.

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/great-idea-for-chinese-importation-business.404674/

Also, someone there, seems to already know you. (Around the 6th post, User called 'MY OFFICE IN CHINA').
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Delusional.

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Hello,

I have been invited to join a potentially very lucrative “electronics company” on a £200k/yr salary.

Should I take the job?

The idea is that we “produce” architectural lighting products, eg “wall-washers” , color changing lights etc etc.

The idea is that we design a few prototype products ourselves, and then show these to politicians, heads of innovation funds, potential investors, etc etc.

They will then give us the innovation funding that we need to live……..

At this point, we can then take our products to trade shows, where we can meet our potential customers…

When we have the customer contact details, we then bring in our associated Chinese Lighting Designer company…….they will design and make the actual products for us…at a price that the customers won’t be able to refuse. Since we will have the customer contact details, we can then match the European customers with our associated Chinese company….we then sit there and get well minted…making a fortune!!...just middle –manning the products through!

Perfect isn’t it?

Some say that the Chinese are actually, at this point, interested in knocking out European Electronics design capability by flooding our market with cheap Chinese products, so that means that the Chinese company won’t even be interested in making much profit….so that means more profit for us !!!

Because I have formal electronics qualifications, I am needed to kind of make the British company look like a bona fide electronics company…which of course it will not really be….it will simply be a “middle-man”.

When we have domination of the architectural lighting market, we can then further our engineering contacts in China, and then extend our ploy into other areas like electric car chargers etc etc.

The Chinese products are of excellent quality, since the Chinese are now the world’s best power supply engineering designers. …And when we have shipped millions of products to millions of happy European customers, we can use this to attract even more customers.

There is one worry, and that is that we will have to visit China regularly in order to assure that our products are being manufactured in a suitable quality way. There is fear that we could contract coronavirus…..or even that the British government will in future ban travel to China….but we believe that COVID19 will blow over…and has already been totally eradicated in China(?)…China is now the world’s safest place for COVID19(?)...and the chinese markets where livestock are slaughtered on site and result in virus spread will simply close now?

What do you think?

Should I take the job?
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2020, 12:41:37 am »
Yup.

Effectively there are no interrupts in xCORE processors: you simply dedicate a core to an i/o port and (if necessary) it sleeps until the input has arrived. The language has primitives indicating the clock cycle on which output will occur, or capturing the clock cycle on which input did occur.

To a useful approximation inter-core comms is the same as i/o: messages to/from other cores are identical to "messages" to/from i/o ports.

I'm far from being an expert in xCORE or xC, but it just worked as I wanted it to work, as stated in the documentation and as I would expect it to work. Stunningly pain-free, unlike other MCUs with their strange i/o config registers etc :)

For some application areas, that sounds really good. It reminds me of the Propeller processors (by Parallax), at least in the concept of having many cores, for easy/good embedded use.
 
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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2020, 12:48:52 am »
Yup.

Effectively there are no interrupts in xCORE processors: you simply dedicate a core to an i/o port and (if necessary) it sleeps until the input has arrived. The language has primitives indicating the clock cycle on which output will occur, or capturing the clock cycle on which input did occur.

To a useful approximation inter-core comms is the same as i/o: messages to/from other cores are identical to "messages" to/from i/o ports.

I'm far from being an expert in xCORE or xC, but it just worked as I wanted it to work, as stated in the documentation and as I would expect it to work. Stunningly pain-free, unlike other MCUs with their strange i/o config registers etc :)

For some application areas, that sounds really good. It reminds me of the Propeller processors (by Parallax), at least in the concept of having many cores, for easy/good embedded use.

Exactly.

Multicore hardware is trivial; multiprocessor languages and software always have been (and continue to be) the big problem. Hence I found Propellor to be uninteresting, and didn't bother to build anything with it.

A key point about xCORE/xC is the tight integration of hardware and software, just like Transputer and Occam. David May has been involved in all of that. In addition Transputer/Occam and xCORE/xC have solid theoretical roots in CSP.
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2020, 01:01:56 am »
Exactly.

Multicore hardware is trivial; multiprocessor languages and software always have been (and continue to be) the big problem. Hence I found Propellor to be uninteresting, and didn't bother to build anything with it.

A key point about xCORE/xC is the tight integration of hardware and software, just like Transputer and Occam. David May has been involved in all of that. In addition Transputer/Occam and xCORE/xC have solid theoretical roots in CSP.

The thing is. Just like with mcu's bigger brothers, desktop processors. The laws of Physics, such as the speed of light (which the speed of electricity presumably (Physics can get complicated) relates to, as well as other parameters), and other practical limits, such as capacitance of real life components.
Effectively making exceeding 5 GHz (exact limit debatable, maybe 6 or 7 GHz, would be a better figure here, so please take this value as approximate), without spending huge amounts of money, needing crazy amounts of power, and almost impractical cooling solutions. Ever harder.
I wouldn't want to give it a hard limit. yes you can do 5.1 GHz, and 5.2 GHz etc.
But, we are reaching the practical limits, of existing production technologies (we are at around 7nm as regards production/ and existing sales, but 5nm is coming and probably smaller still).

So, going parallel. Seems to be the logical (excuse the pun) way forward.

That is what AMD are doing with their newer ranges of Ryzen processors. With an amazing 64 core desktop/workstation cpu  (hugely expensive though (around £4K, for the top one), but worth it, if you need the horse power, such as high end content creators). Even 128 cores, by going for a pair of server cpus.
Also, graphics processors, have also gone this route. Depending on how you count them, with potentially, tens of thousands of processors (and/or threads).

So, microcontrollers in embedded systems, are going to need to go the same way, sooner or later.
Because of the potential power savings, of running a large number of cores at lower frequencies. That can also be another reason, as some embedded systems can't produce much heat (fan not allowed, impracticable and/or too unreliable), and may need to use little power, because of needing to run off batteries.
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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2020, 07:58:44 am »
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You should probably inform the British Intelligence service whoever they are as this sounds like industrial espionage! I am appalled that you are even thinking of this and discussing it in a forum where EE enthusiasts gather to solve each others' problems and teach/help in the process. Unless you are a Chinese national floating the idea to gather what kind of response you could get, you should be scared. Just my opinion.
..scared...who of?...nobody does anything about this kind of thing....we will just fill our boots...then we will be over to the states to do the same thing there.
Having said that, people in the states are already doing exactly this.
And people, even people like you, dont  do anything about it.
Gauranteed that you wont write to your politician about it.
Gauranteed you wont join the "revive USA industry" group...because there isnt one...neither is there a "Revive British industry" group...well there is, but nobody wants to join it...
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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2020, 08:34:42 am »
Exactly.

Multicore hardware is trivial; multiprocessor languages and software always have been (and continue to be) the big problem. Hence I found Propellor to be uninteresting, and didn't bother to build anything with it.

A key point about xCORE/xC is the tight integration of hardware and software, just like Transputer and Occam. David May has been involved in all of that. In addition Transputer/Occam and xCORE/xC have solid theoretical roots in CSP.

The thing is. Just like with mcu's bigger brothers, desktop processors. The laws of Physics, such as the speed of light (which the speed of electricity presumably (Physics can get complicated) relates to, as well as other parameters), and other practical limits, such as capacitance of real life components.
Effectively making exceeding 5 GHz (exact limit debatable, maybe 6 or 7 GHz, would be a better figure here, so please take this value as approximate), without spending huge amounts of money, needing crazy amounts of power, and almost impractical cooling solutions. Ever harder.
I wouldn't want to give it a hard limit. yes you can do 5.1 GHz, and 5.2 GHz etc.
But, we are reaching the practical limits, of existing production technologies (we are at around 7nm as regards production/ and existing sales, but 5nm is coming and probably smaller still).

So, going parallel. Seems to be the logical (excuse the pun) way forward.

That is what AMD are doing with their newer ranges of Ryzen processors. With an amazing 64 core desktop/workstation cpu  (hugely expensive though (around £4K, for the top one), but worth it, if you need the horse power, such as high end content creators). Even 128 cores, by going for a pair of server cpus.
Also, graphics processors, have also gone this route. Depending on how you count them, with potentially, tens of thousands of processors (and/or threads).

So, microcontrollers in embedded systems, are going to need to go the same way, sooner or later.
Because of the potential power savings, of running a large number of cores at lower frequencies. That can also be another reason, as some embedded systems can't produce much heat (fan not allowed, impracticable and/or too unreliable), and may need to use little power, because of needing to run off batteries.

The fundamental limits are the speed of light (i.e. latency) and heat generation. We are pushing both: compare the heat flux with that in a kettle or nuclear reactor, and the time it takes a signal to get across a chip (worse: to another chiplet) with the clock period.

The AMD/intel chips (and SMP big iron) all rely on cache coherency. The messages associated with cache coherency protocols become a limiting factor: too many messages, too long latency.

There are a few techniques for not requiring cache coherency, e.g. CSP and descendents, or MapReduce etc. We need more techniques.
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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2020, 08:36:41 am »
Someone seems to have stolen your thread.

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/great-idea-for-chinese-importation-business.404674/

Typical. They stole his street lights, they stole his power supplies, they stole his thread. Hang on there treez!
 
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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2020, 09:17:51 am »
THE SAME IDEA WAS ALREADY POSTED IN THIS FORUM A FEW YEARS AGO.

I AM TOO LAZY TO SEARCH FOR IT, BUT EVEN THE PRODUCT IDEA WAS THE SAME.

WHEN I READ THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD I EVEN CHECKED THE DATE TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT THE SAME ORIGINAL POST.

THIS MUST EITHER BE:

A) TROLLING
B) TROLLING

REGARDS,
VITOR

PS: Sorry for the CAPS - I am shouting!

By the way, as I remember, on the original thread, the common reply was that if such a company would be made, they should be exposed immediatly and go corrupt. The base of this business idea is to a) get money from tax payers, b) cheat customers into thinking it is a UK/EU product and c) use cheap Chinese labour to actually design and manufacture. The world does not need such a company and I would be ashamed if I was even considering working for such a scam, no matter how much money I was offered. Honesty and character are worth a lot and once lost cannot be recovered.
 
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2020, 10:59:05 am »
The fundamental limits are the speed of light (i.e. latency) and heat generation. We are pushing both: compare the heat flux with that in a kettle or nuclear reactor, and the time it takes a signal to get across a chip (worse: to another chiplet) with the clock period.

The AMD/intel chips (and SMP big iron) all rely on cache coherency. The messages associated with cache coherency protocols become a limiting factor: too many messages, too long latency.

There are a few techniques for not requiring cache coherency, e.g. CSP and descendents, or MapReduce etc. We need more techniques.

You are right. There are two ways of looking at the situation, and I was mainly promoting the other way.

One way is what is the maximum number of cores you can have. (Ignoring the practicalities or limits on how many cores a system/program can usefully use). So I meant that in theory. Assuming there is going to continue to be, ever lower cost cores, in the future.
So (hypothetically), at some future date, we may see (domestic home computers), with 1,000 cores, and maybe later still 1,000,000. Later still even a billion or trillion cores. It is not clear, where the boundaries are going to be (especially if quantum computers, become a thing), and at what cost.

The fastest computer, I can quickly find by googling (Summit), seems to have around 2.5 million cores.
https://www.top500.org/system/179397
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Cores:   2,414,592

So, presumably, one day we will see home computers, with that kind of power (2.5 million cores, Theoretical Peak (Rpeak)   200,795 TFlop/s), for under $1,000. But when ?
2021, 2030, 2050/60, 2199, 9998 ?

But on the other hand (what you seem to be describing), there are limits as to how many cores an actual real life problem or program(s), can actually, really use.
For some problems, such as converting a long video, from one format to another (or compressing it), the video, can be split into hundreds of thousands of individual frames, and each frame can have millions of pixels.
So, millions of cores, can fairly easily be used in parallel.

But many other problems, need communications (such as the cache you mentioned, as part of shared memory), which can severely limit the number of cores that can be usefully used to parallelize a particular task.

Also (as you said), latency, can be the fundamental limit. Which can be the case, especially in some real time embedded systems. E.g. A car, which essentially has to respond to certain events (such as air bag deployment), in rather limited amounts of time. Otherwise the accident (or whatever the driver/car was trying to do), is over, and it is too late.

So, things like the XMOS xCORE, may well help provide a starting point for such work. Which is what the Inmos Transputer, and its Occam programming language. Were trying to achieve, many years ago.

Sadly, the reality is that single core performance, is still the main performance factor, for many things, and C/C++ (like) languages, rather than highly parallel languages, are still the norm.

tl;dr
Even if hardware, with many cores, becomes cheap and common place. The software to use such potentially huge computing power, could be a decade or many decades away. In a number of cases, it is theoretically believed, that it is not even possible (such as what is known as Amdahl's law).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2020, 12:23:01 pm »
Bicurico might be thinking of this thread which is only testimony of the drive, willpower and long term vision of treez.
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2020, 12:38:46 pm »
Bicurico might be thinking of this thread which is only testimony of the drive, willpower and long term vision of treez.

The original thread may have been deleted by the mods, I can't find it. But remember similar threads.
But there are vaguely similar ones, still on this forum.
They often talk about his 'Friend', NOT to be confused with an imaginary friend!   :-DD

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/dodgy-lighting-products-may-flood-after-brexit/msg2205420/#msg2205420

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/theft-of-electronics-i-p-to-start-rival-electronics-company/msg2324649/#msg2324649

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/small-uk-owned-streetlight-design-company-cannot-design-own-led-drivers/msg1723967/#msg1723967
 

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2020, 12:45:24 pm »
The fundamental limits are the speed of light (i.e. latency) and heat generation. We are pushing both: compare the heat flux with that in a kettle or nuclear reactor, and the time it takes a signal to get across a chip (worse: to another chiplet) with the clock period.
The speed of light is fundamental, but the heat generation we face is only a limit of current technology. The fundamental heat limits are far lower. Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we won't.
The AMD/intel chips (and SMP big iron) all rely on cache coherency. The messages associated with cache coherency protocols become a limiting factor: too many messages, too long latency.

There are a few techniques for not requiring cache coherency, e.g. CSP and descendents, or MapReduce etc. We need more techniques.
People have been saying this since 2 CPUs were first applied to a single problem, and the results so far have generally been poor. We certainly need to keep working hard on this, but I wouldn't plan my future around the expectation of massive improvements.
 

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2020, 04:39:02 am »
I almost made it to 2 days before giving in the the click-bait title.

Can't say I was surprised at what I found.  But there was a little side content on processing cores that gave some brightness to the exercise.



Still, that's 4 minutes I'll never get back.
 
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2020, 09:22:36 am »
The fundamental limits are the speed of light (i.e. latency) and heat generation. We are pushing both: compare the heat flux with that in a kettle or nuclear reactor, and the time it takes a signal to get across a chip (worse: to another chiplet) with the clock period.
The speed of light is fundamental, but the heat generation we face is only a limit of current technology. The fundamental heat limits are far lower. Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we won't.

If you are thinking of the energy-information equivalence, then I agree. Beyond that, my statement about heat generation is at the very least a good approximation :)

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The AMD/intel chips (and SMP big iron) all rely on cache coherency. The messages associated with cache coherency protocols become a limiting factor: too many messages, too long latency.

There are a few techniques for not requiring cache coherency, e.g. CSP and descendents, or MapReduce etc. We need more techniques.
People have been saying this since 2 CPUs were first applied to a single problem, and the results so far have generally been poor. We certainly need to keep working hard on this, but I wouldn't plan my future around the expectation of massive improvements.

Agreed. The main point is to get the unwashed masses to realise there is an issue that can't be ignored, especially since simple semiconductor scaling has hit limits.
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2020, 09:27:35 am »
The fundamental limits are the speed of light (i.e. latency) and heat generation. We are pushing both: compare the heat flux with that in a kettle or nuclear reactor, and the time it takes a signal to get across a chip (worse: to another chiplet) with the clock period.
The speed of light is fundamental, but the heat generation we face is only a limit of current technology. The fundamental heat limits are far lower. Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we won't.
If you are thinking of the energy-information equivalence, then I agree. Beyond that, my statement about heat generation is at the very least a good approximation :)
Vacuum tubes took huge power. TTL took less. NMOS took less. CMOS took less. The power limitations we see right now are a result of the technology we currently use, and that has seen several dramatic changes, and a whole lot of refinement. Your comment really assumes the electronics industry has reached the end of the road. I find that idea too depressing to accept without reason.
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2020, 09:36:49 am »
The fundamental limits are the speed of light (i.e. latency) and heat generation. We are pushing both: compare the heat flux with that in a kettle or nuclear reactor, and the time it takes a signal to get across a chip (worse: to another chiplet) with the clock period.
The speed of light is fundamental, but the heat generation we face is only a limit of current technology. The fundamental heat limits are far lower. Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we won't.
If you are thinking of the energy-information equivalence, then I agree. Beyond that, my statement about heat generation is at the very least a good approximation :)
Vacuum tubes took huge power. TTL took less. NMOS took less. CMOS took less. The power limitations we see right now are a result of the technology we currently use, and that has seen several dramatic changes, and a whole lot of refinement. Your comment really assumes the electronics industry has reached the end of the road. I find that idea too depressing to accept without reason.

As you put it in the other context, "We certainly need to keep working hard on this, but I wouldn't plan my future around the expectation of massive improvements."
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2020, 12:51:05 am »
As you put it in the other context, "We certainly need to keep working hard on this, but I wouldn't plan my future around the expectation of massive improvements."
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Wait for it

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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2020, 04:15:08 am »
Can you get fine PWM granularity (e.g. 0.1ns) with XMOS xCores (external parts are fine)? Looks like regular PWM goes down to 10ns/core, which is kinda slow. Actual PWM frequency is much lower, below 2 MHz.
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2020, 07:49:22 am »
Can you get fine PWM granularity (e.g. 0.1ns) with XMOS xCores (external parts are fine)? Looks like regular PWM goes down to 10ns/core, which is kinda slow. Actual PWM frequency is much lower, below 2 MHz.

I/O clocks can get 4ns resolution. I've no idea where you get the 2MHz from.

Of course you could add any external device to an xCORE MCU.

xCORE devices aren't magic. But they do get you predictable resolution and repeatability in software alone, along with significant parallelism.

For example, software can suck on a 100Mb/s ethernet serial stream and turn it into packets (or blow packets onto ethernet). At the same time you can be doing USB comms, DSP and front panel control. All with guaranteed throughput, latency and jitter.

No other MCU could get close to that, but obviously an FPGA could. Clearly xCORE won't replace FPGAs, but in some cases they can offer similar advantages to those that are comfortable with software.
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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2020, 05:41:04 am »
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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2020, 07:36:42 am »
I mostly meant for my application, I need a PWM freq of < 2 MHz. Basically just wondering if there's a way to get high resolution PWM on one of these.
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2020, 09:15:01 am »
Guys -- while the merit of the original post in this thread is debatable, I still think it is very impolite to hijack a thread the way you do. Also, if your discussion is meant to have value (rather than just to troll treez), it should be moved to a suitably titled separate thread, so that others can find it now and in the future.
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2020, 09:25:53 am »
People Who Say It Cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It
 

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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2020, 09:30:25 am »
...while the merit of the original post in this thread is debatable, I still think it is very impolite to hijack a thread the way you do. ...

Q1: does one[1] debatable post "merit" thread drift? Q2: is thread drift to be condemned? The thread-drift posts are polite, convey technical information and are perfectly in keeping with this forum.

Answers on a postcard, preferably >/dev/null :)

[1] a lot more than one, IMNSHO - and usually on multiple forums!
For example, the text of these two are very similar (perhaps identical before one was edited), although for some reason the titles differ:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/renewable-energy/no-y-capacitors-in-our-common-mode-filter-because-the-smps-is-non-isolated/msg2982590/#msg2982590
https://www.edaboard.com/showthread.php?389321-Non-isolated-SMPS-does-not-need-Y-capacitors
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« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2020, 10:27:35 am »
People Who Say It Cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It

I think you misunderstood that stock phrase.
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2020, 10:34:38 am »
No, I See The Forest For The Treez.
 

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« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2020, 02:54:02 pm »
The whole thing might just be utter bullshit.

But don't discourage treez here IMO. He's clearly been so miserable in his current job for months or even years, that any change would do him good. Even if it's a dead-end proposal, that might just be akick in the butt that will make him change his career path drastically. Just a thought.

Of course I don't want to be partly responsible for him getting unemployed after a bad decision and unable to find a new job. ::)
 

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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2020, 01:10:53 am »
Guys -- while the merit of the original post in this thread is debatable, I still think it is very impolite to hijack a thread the way you do. Also, if your discussion is meant to have value (rather than just to troll treez), it should be moved to a suitably titled separate thread, so that others can find it now and in the future.

Well, let us split your comment, into two half's.

The first part, us (especially me), going off-topic. I agree. I/we should have put it into a properly named thread.
It seemed to be started, by me attempting to explain to Treez, the in-practicalities and difficulties, of 100% bringing back full manufacturing to the UK, in one quick go.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/easy-money-200kyr-job-in-electronics/msg2977110/#msg2977110

But, as regards the second point/concept. Let us perform an experiment, in real life.
Let us put essentially the same/identical thread into a completely independent forum. With a zero/one post (new) poster, and see how they react.
To save time, let's do it, around a week in the PAST.
By coincidence, someone, I have absolutely no idea who did it (Cough cough cough TREEZ), has already done it for us.
Let's see what happened.
N.B. They (presumably) don't know TREEZ, and have no idea of his past history.
What are they saying.
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Delusional.

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Why do people post rubbish like this?

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The kids have got to find something to waste their time doing now they're off school I suppose...in this case, delusional idiotic posts on a business forum.

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Take the job.

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Is this made up?

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Offline Wilksey

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2020, 01:57:02 am »
OK Folks, I think I can clear this up.

There is a glaring error in the original post, the OP's country flag states he is from the UK, and he posts his web links under a .co.uk site, yet he clearly states this:
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color changing lights etc etc.

Now, i'm quite sure the correct spelling is coloUr for the UK, therefore I don't believe this offer is real or it is not intended to be taken upon by a UK resident.
My mind is split 50/50, but I have a strong suspicion that this is a load of Charlie Hollocks.

In the present situation he shouldn't even be leaving his house let alone fly around the globe to China and who knows if this opportunity will still be present when it "all blows over", it could be that the company in question goes to the dogs.  No, I think the best thing is to stick with what you are currently doing and keep the forum entertained with your posts, at least you should have more time to entertain us with your tales.

The best thing for the Portsmouth / Southampton area right now is for you to stick with your current job.  :-DD

Ohh, I almost forgot my request, when you get bored with lighting, maybe you can (pun intended) enlighten us with some tales about drones?
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2020, 02:01:38 am »
neither is there a "Revive British industry" group...well there is, but nobody wants to join it...
https://massey276.wixsite.com/revive

Perhaps because anybody who finds it by happenstance can immediately see that it's a "one man and his dog" outfit, and that the dog's legged it.

Of course anyone who has been directed there, has been directed there by you, and with an introduction like that...

I don't know why you persist with all your scheming, it always amounts to nothing at the end of the day. Surely by now you can see that you just don't really have a grasp of the world as it is, and lack the vision or drive to become one of the unreasonable men who actually manages to "adapt the world to himself". That you're reduced to your latest scheme that is little short of fraud, and bears no chance of ending in a fat government grant, a jail cell perhaps, but no grant, is surely a wakeup call that you need to chnage tack. I fear that you're doomed to wander living the life of "Walter Mitty esq., Industrialist".
Anybody got a syringe I can use to squeeze the magic smoke back into this?
 
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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2020, 11:41:30 am »
https://massey276.wixsite.com/government

Got to love the amazing site..

Shows how detailed and thorough the author his, if is engineering lights are half as good as is site the Chinese sure can't compete on quality..

Dude, just go to the nearest hospital and do a voluntary hospital internment into an psyc ward because you sure need it.

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2020, 03:12:38 pm »
What a load of crap. I have seen this "job opportunity" before under slightly different guises. In any case if it were true, only a fool would take such a job.

Anyone who sells out their integrity by being involved in such a scam is no better than a prostitute, corrupt politician, conman or drug dealer. They can keep their dirty money. Those of us who are honest and earn honest money in altruistic electronics industries can at least sleep at night and look at our friends and family with our heads held high. We have our integrity intact and this should never be for sale. But this is a generalisation. Some people lack empathy, integrity or social responsibility no matter what.

Our Australian federal government has been treating our poorest citizens with utter contempt and have driven some to suicide. (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nothing-to-apologise-for-minister-backs-stuart-robert-over-failed-robodebt-scheme). No apology given by the bastards behind the Robodebt scheme. No integrity and no accountability either. It appears some people can sleep at night no matter what.

As engineers and technicians our integrity should not be for sale and we we need to work in industries that do good for people and make good decisions along the way.
 

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2020, 06:02:54 pm »
What a load of crap. I have seen this "job opportunity" before under slightly different guises. In any case if it were true, only a fool would take such a job.

Anyone who sells out their integrity by being involved in such a scam is no better than a prostitute, corrupt politician, conman or drug dealer. They can keep their dirty money. Those of us who are honest and earn honest money in altruistic electronics industries can at least sleep at night and look at our friends and family with our heads held high. We have our integrity intact and this should never be for sale. But this is a generalisation. Some people lack empathy, integrity or social responsibility no matter what.

Our Australian federal government has been treating our poorest citizens with utter contempt and have driven some to suicide. (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nothing-to-apologise-for-minister-backs-stuart-robert-over-failed-robodebt-scheme). No apology given by the bastards behind the Robodebt scheme. No integrity and no accountability either. It appears some people can sleep at night no matter what.

As engineers and technicians our integrity should not be for sale and we we need to work in industries that do good for people and make good decisions along the way.

Is this the first time you read a treez's post?
Hahaha, it must be!
 

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Re: Easy money...£200k/yr job in electronics?
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2020, 01:30:32 am »
What a load of crap. I have seen this "job opportunity" before under slightly different guises. In any case if it were true, only a fool would take such a job.

Anyone who sells out their integrity by being involved in such a scam is no better than a prostitute, corrupt politician, conman or drug dealer. They can keep their dirty money. Those of us who are honest and earn honest money in altruistic electronics industries can at least sleep at night and look at our friends and family with our heads held high. We have our integrity intact and this should never be for sale. But this is a generalisation. Some people lack empathy, integrity or social responsibility no matter what.

Our Australian federal government has been treating our poorest citizens with utter contempt and have driven some to suicide. (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/nothing-to-apologise-for-minister-backs-stuart-robert-over-failed-robodebt-scheme). No apology given by the bastards behind the Robodebt scheme. No integrity and no accountability either. It appears some people can sleep at night no matter what.

As engineers and technicians our integrity should not be for sale and we we need to work in industries that do good for people and make good decisions along the way.

Is this the first time you read a treez's post?

It might have been him or her who posted this tripe before. Why isn't Treez banned for fake news?

By the way, I suspect the politicians are not apologising because they fear being sued in a massive class action. They are cowards who seem more interested in protecting their own arses.
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