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Ebay Global Shipping Program EOL, being replaced by Ebay International Shipping

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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: alm on March 26, 2023, 10:22:16 am ---Sounds like how international used to work before big shops like Amazon started to handle the import process, and how it still works for smaller shops: the seller ships the item without charging any VAT or customs fees, the courier / postal company handles the import process, and charges you the VAT, duty and admin fees based on either pre payment or post payment. For example FedEx will either send me an email requesting payment before they will deliver, or if the fees are below something like €100, they'll send me an invoice within a week or so of delivering the package to be paid within two weeks.

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It does feel like that.


--- Quote ---Sure, it may be a downgrade from the old system in terms of convenience, but at least this should give you a proper invoice unlike Pitney Bowes dubious "trust us, it's been imported probably but we won't show you any paperwork you can take to your account" system.

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Not a problem for me.


--- Quote ---This won't show you the exact costs up front, but I can usually estimate it pretty well since the VAT is well known and in the EU you can look up duty in the TARIC database. Although finding the right code can be a challenge, but googling for something like "soldering iron tariff" or "hs code" will usually help.

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Possibly, possibly not.

Where would eBay get that information? I presume from the category the seller chose for the item, but

* do the categories align with the HS codes?
* we've all seen items listed in bizarrely incorrect categories
What happens when, not if, the shipping company chooses an "unexpected" HS category?

alm:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on March 26, 2023, 10:29:20 am ---What happens when, not if, the shipping company chooses an "unexpected" HS category?

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In my experience shipping companies will usually pick something that is in the ball park but not correct unless the seller includes the HS code on the customs declaration. Fortunately in the EU this usually doesn't make a big difference in duty fees whether something is labeled "computer parts" or "oscilloscope parts". You can always appeal the decision if you want. I once received an item sold as "guaranteed working" which was DOA. I complained to the seller, who gave me a partial refund. And then appealed the import fees to the shipping company, stating that the value had been incorrectly stated since it was a broken item, who forwarded my appeal to the customs authority, who after some months gave me a refund.

m k:
Tax deductions may differ depending who is accepted as an actual importer.

factory:

--- Quote from: factory on March 25, 2023, 08:37:00 pm ---In the UK at least there haven't been any extra charges for a few years now, the VAT is collected by ebay in checkout for; EIS, GSP and regular shipping chosen by the seller.
You can see the charge by clicking on "view tax invoice" in the order details and it'll tell you the tax rate & amount collection "VAT collected by eBay in line with UK legislation", I believe the EU does the same.
Examples, the manuals with EIS the rate was 0%, an item of TE with EIS/GSP the rate was 20%.

Edit: the % rate seems to be based on the category the item was listed under, items in incorrect categories may have no charge or a charge it shouldn't have.

An item of TE sent via USPS directly to the UK, had VAT collected by ebay, the parcel should have a reference of "code paid" on the shipping label, I don't receive many sent without EIS or GSP.

David

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Maybe this got missed, note the edit.

In the UK at least, the price show in the auction or BIN listing includes the tax, if it's in a category that has 0% tax rate then the price is the same as shown in the country it's listed in.
To see the price difference, change the dot co dot uk, to dot com or dot de etc.

For example a HP manual listed under business/industrial in the "Test Equipment Manuals & Books" category is 0% rated, but if they list under consumer electronics, radio communication equipment "Manuals & Magazines" category you get tax added.
Of course this works both ways, if a seller goes with the ebay suggested category, when listing items you can get test equipment listed under the TE books category at 0%.

You have to know what it should be and try & get the seller to correct the error, some of course don't want to know.

I guess it's too early in the changeover from GSP to EIS, for comments on the subject I started this thread about.

David

tggzzz:
I suspect it would be useful if other people could try to get answers to questions like these from fleabay. The consistency (or otherwise) of the responses will indicate how much ebay's responses can be trusted.

The screenshot shows an example of the issues...
The item is being shipped using the eIS.

Will I or won't I be hit by a $800+ bill when this is delivered?

I can't square that with a previous eBay CSR response, particularly the first paragraph.


--- Quote ---Thank you for writing to eBay with regard to eBay International Shipping (eIS). I will definitely help you with answering your questions regarding Import charges. Before I proceed, I would like to share with that if there is any Import cost charged for an item then you will be able to see the Import cost on the listing page itself.
 
1. If there is no Import charges on the listing page or checkout page, then system will not inform about the amount shipping service will charge you during delivery. For that you will be required to contact the shipping service before placing your order.
 
2. If there is no Import charges on the listing page or checkout page, then system will not inform about the admin/processing fees. It completely depends upon the shipping service due to which we do not have any idea how much they will be charging.
 
3. If you select the sort option as "lowest price + P&P", then based upon that system will show you the postage cost. If postage is free then it will show as "Free delivery". Postage cost doesn't include Import charges and tax.
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