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Ebay Global Shipping Program EOL, being replaced by Ebay International Shipping
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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: alm on March 26, 2023, 06:51:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on March 26, 2023, 06:05:12 pm ---EBay say I will have.to ask the shipping company. Do you think they will reply?!

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Would you even know which shipping company to ask?

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I've asked eBay CSRs. A bit early for a response.

One of their responses did contain answers. I don't see how they can answer this question, since their partners choose the delivery shippers.


--- Quote ---The big ones like UPS and FedEx have documents on their website listing charges, for example this document for FedEx US. The admin fees for FedEx are listed under "Disbursement Fee (may be identified as
Advancement Fee or Duty Handling Fee in certain countries)" as "Greater of $12 or 2% of duty, tax, and merchandise processing fee charges" unless you are importing something like live animals or have a package containing more than three products that are all listed separately on the airway bill (Additional Entry Line Items, per line over 3 lines). FedEx UK will have slightly different prices in GBP.

VAT is usually the same rate for most electronics products (20% for the UK according to Google), and duties is set by your government depending on the type of product. I can't remember buying something that had 20% duty. Most of the electronics stuff I buy is 0% duty or something like 5%. But this is EU, not UK. I can usually make a pretty accurate estimate based on this and the admin fees my local shipping companies charge.

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Yeah. Everybody needs to become a shipping expert, and to know which buttons to press when it doesn't go as expected. :( :(
alm:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on March 26, 2023, 07:38:19 pm ---Yeah. Everybody needs to become a shipping expert, and to know which buttons to press when it doesn't go as expected. :( :(

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It's definitely a step back in terms of convenience, but no worse than it was before the eBay Global Shipping Program (does remembering that make me old?), or for sellers not selling via the Global Shipping Program (I'm guessing they'll no longer have a choice with EIS). The local postal service here has a page describing how to calculate the import fees and listing their admin fees, and the duty rates for some products people commonly buy: phones, shoes, etc. I'm sure they get many questions about it.
Alex Eisenhut:
Will it address the issue of 20$ shipping for power supplies but 50$ shipping for manuals?
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: alm on March 26, 2023, 08:46:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on March 26, 2023, 07:38:19 pm ---Yeah. Everybody needs to become a shipping expert, and to know which buttons to press when it doesn't go as expected. :( :(

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It's definitely a step back in terms of convenience, but no worse than it was before the eBay Global Shipping Program (does remembering that make me old?), or for sellers not selling via the Global Shipping Program

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A 60% uplift (to pick a figure) is more than an inconvenience, especially if an incorrectly high rate is assigned by the shipper and has to - somehow, hopefully - be corrected.

Yes, the GSP is excellent. EBay reverting to something crappy in order to make more money is no better than reverting to horses rather than cars, having your bandwidth restricted so "other people can be better served", or MS removing the 3D clues in GUIs and reverting the grotty 1980 style flattie GUIs :)
m k:
Shipping terms are not how item is shipped or where it ends.
It's how things are paid.
Of course it may end there but usually not, and you pay something extra.

EXW means that you must go and pick it up or pay somebody to do so.

FOB is not moving either if you're not telling the target.
Some other F category end points can be quite interesting.
It's also quite possible that port stop accepting stuff without destinations after port.

C category is on the destination side, but seems to be little hazy.
Some use word port and others word place for same thing, possibly a size thing.

CIF in itself is not very clear.
Example picture is many times before the destination port, obviously that is not possible.
Actual situation is that the item is on the soil of the destination but not in economy.
Imported cars are usually CIF, or CFR but in this context it's the same.
Port area is obviously limited so stuff start costing more after short time if not moved.
So if at that point imported cars are not sold the importer must start paying.
No good so importer imports less, no good economy suffers.
So tax free zones and free ports are created and stuff can go out of the port tax free.
It's also possible that stuff go back out to the sea.
One possibility is also that workers go to tax free zone and goods are not even intended to be imported.
Clearly big boys business is this CIF.

Other general C category things are Cargo Paid To CPT and Cargo and Insurance Paid CIP.
There risk is possibly something else than what you think, but general location shouldn't be a problem.
I wouldn't use those without own or known port operators.

Then the D category, only sane level after EXW and FOB.
There the actual export part is also covered by one entity.
The chain should be
Delivered At Terminal DAT -
Delivered At Place DAP -
Delivered Duty Paid DDP.
Delivered at Place Unloaded DPU seems to have multiple meanings, maybe it's just some wording or size of the item.

DDP is door to door.
DAP is also door to door but you must do the customs clearance.
Some use DPU like DAP and others like DAT.

Our DAP case is simple, when item arrives a message is sent to buyer.
Then customs messages the forwarder and item moves.

Customs warehouse is also perfectly fine delivery location, if one is easily available.
At least it used to be, back in the day.

Terminal in DAT is item dependent.
Different destination parcels must be out of the container so different warehouse is needed.
Forwarder can have their own customs warehouse and actual customs can have theirs.

Once upon a time I tried to get few plastic flip door computer parts from Taiwan.
Used shipping method was FOB, air cargo was a clear possibility, but it wasn't.
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