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Looking at an listing of TE in the US with EIS shipping, it now has "duties" shown under the shipping cost, but a listing for a TE manual doesn't have this shown (0% rate), instead states "This item may be subject to duties and taxes upon delivery."  |O
Struggling to find an active US listing that still has GSP, most have transitioned over the EIS, or removed international completely. Sellers everywhere have always hated dealing with international shipping themselves and prefer to use GSP/EIS.

EISD and regular (non ebay) shipping listings, don't show anything on the main listing page, unless you look at the shipping tab. "VAT may apply. The actual VAT requirements and rates may vary depending on the final sale."

Oddly I'm noticing shipping prices seem a lot more expensive*  :o now they have changed to EIS from GSP, resulting in me clicking the X icon & forgetting about the item.

*the opposite to how they are advertising the EIS service.  :horse:

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Today's amusing story in this area is from https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/07/cardiff-flat-owner-gets-tax-bills-for-11000-chinese-firms

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However, few will have experienced the same horror as Dylan Davies, who received 11,000 tax bills – with none actually for him. On one day, 580 envelopes flooded in, as Chinese companies had used his Cardiff flat address to register themselves with HMRC to pay VAT.
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A law change in January 2021 meant online marketplaces such as Amazon or eBay have to collect VAT from overseas traders themselves and pay it directly to HMRC. However, this does not apply if a company has a registered UK address for VAT. No proof of address has to be provided.

The financial crime consultant Graham Barrow said he suspected it was fraudulent activity from the overseas companies. “It looks to all intents and purposes like VAT fraud,” he said. “There’s no other reason why you’d register for VAT at a complete stranger’s address, particularly for 11,000 companies to do that.”

Barrow believes the firms are collecting VAT from their buyers but not paying it to HMRC.

I'm not convinced fleabay sellers are actually collecting VAT; I suspect they are still quoting the same price and ignoring taxes.
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Erm ePay collect it, not the sellers....

A couple of pictures showing parts of an ebay tax invoice, for an order of TE related parts.





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Oddly I'm noticing shipping prices seem a lot more expensive*  :o now they have changed to EIS from GSP, resulting in me clicking the X icon & forgetting about the item.

*the opposite to how they are advertising the EIS service.  :horse:

I would be less unhappy if I could clearly see the cause of the higher prices, e.g. transport, or red tape, or taxes, etc.

I would be less unhappy if I could clearly see what is included/excluded from the indicated "total" price.
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Erm ePay collect it, not the sellers....

A couple of pictures showing parts of an ebay tax invoice, for an order of TE related parts.

OK.

Does fleabay then give it to the sellers in the expectation they will give it to HMRC?

What happens if a parcel is delivered with a £20+ invoice for VAT and admin? Who do I take to court to get a refund?
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IDK, I've not had this problem since ebay took over VAT collection, maybe use the "request a VAT refund" option at the bottom of this page.  :-// Or contact the shipping provider and show them the "ebay tax invoice", which is available on the order page.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/buying/paying-items/paying-tax-ebay-purchases?id=4771

Have you actually bought anything using ePay GSP or EIS?

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reading this thread makes me glad to live in the US for once.  I've never had to pay a penny of taxes, fees, or duties on international purchases of items (the most expensive items I've imported were about $350). 

As a seller, I can tell you that sometimes I do notice a VAT charge on an international sale, but I never actually handle that money.  Ebay holds onto it, and  supposed to pass it onto correct place.  If they aren't doing that, you need to take it up with ebay, since the seller has absolutely no control on what is charged, or where it goes. 

I prefer to handle international shipping myself so I can control what gets shipped internationally.  I only offer it for items that are worth the extra risk and expense, and that I don't expect any problems with.  For example, I recently had a listing for an old spool of solder pulled because someone from Germany turned it in for containing lead.  It was only listed on the US ebay site, but I did offer worldwide shipping. 

To me, that means I can only offer worldwide shipping on mundane items that I'm sure are legal in every country.  I assumed customs was supposed to take care of blocking banned items, not individual ebay sellers.  It's impossible to me to know what is and isn't legal in every single country.  In the future, I won't be offering shipping to Europe on items that aren't ROHS compliant, which means all vintage electronics.
 

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IDK, I've not had this problem since ebay took over VAT collection, maybe use the "request a VAT refund" option at the bottom of this page.  :-// Or contact the shipping provider and show them the "ebay tax invoice", which is available on the order page.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/buying/paying-items/paying-tax-ebay-purchases?id=4771

Have you actually bought anything using ePay GSP or EIS?

Not recently, and certainly not this year. I've avoided buying from overseas since covid and the invasion of Ukraine caused many many shipping problems. I presume without checking that earlier overseas purchases were via GSP.

I have had unexpected VAT+admin invoices, but without disinterring the past I don't know whether they were even fleabay purchases.
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Looking at an listing of TE in the US with EIS shipping, it now has "duties" shown under the shipping cost, but a listing for a TE manual doesn't have this shown (0% rate), instead states "This item may be subject to duties and taxes upon delivery."  |O
Struggling to find an active US listing that still has GSP, most have transitioned over the EIS, or removed international completely. Sellers everywhere have always hated dealing with international shipping themselves and prefer to use GSP/EIS.

EISD and regular (non ebay) shipping listings, don't show anything on the main listing page, unless you look at the shipping tab. "VAT may apply. The actual VAT requirements and rates may vary depending on the final sale."

Oddly I'm noticing shipping prices seem a lot more expensive*  :o now they have changed to EIS from GSP, resulting in me clicking the X icon & forgetting about the item.

*the opposite to how they are advertising the EIS service.  :horse:

David

We have reduced VAT for literature, earlier it was none.
Means that kid's picture book without text is regular VAT but added a word here and there and VAT is reduced.
Maybe these kind of things are why duties and taxes are less exact.

But I see the problem now.

Shipping:
EUR 14.95 Economy Shipping. See detailsfor shipping
Located in: Ljubljana, Slovenia

Shipping:
GBP 10.00 (approx EUR 11.38) Economy Shipping. See detailsfor shipping
International shipment of items may be subject to customs processing and additional charges.
Located in: Caterham, United Kingdom

Shipping:
US $9.00 (approx EUR 8.24) USPS Priority Mail International Flat Rate EnvelopeTM. See detailsfor shipping
International shipment of items may be subject to customs processing and additional charges.
Located in: Rock Creek, Ohio, United States

Shipping:
US $20.89 (approx EUR 19.12) eBay International Shipping
. See detailsfor shipping
Located in: Saint Louis, Missouri, United States
This item may be subject to duties and taxes upon delivery

Shipping:
US $14.00 (approx EUR 12.82) eBay International Standard Delivery. See detailsfor shipping
International shipment of items may be subject to customs processing and additional charges.
Located in: Bloomsdale, Missouri, United States

My checkout added VAT to everything, before that the cart was without any.
So if VAT is not stated earlier it will be added later.

Maybe those eIS sellers are not sure and add something to be sure.
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