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Offline Jan Audio

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Ebay is corrupt
« on: October 04, 2019, 04:29:15 pm »
Hi, i had this experience with ebay, i dont like to be a test subject :

Looking for rare chips.
Located cheapest in china.
I looked further, in Taiwan selling the same for a bit more ( and a different color text paint ).
I like Taiwan quality, so i order them from Taiwan ( less chance to have fakes ).

I got my chips, everything was good.

Then i saw the dutch news, it was saying :
Research shows people willing to pay more for taiwanese products if they can buy the same in china.
As usual with the dutch NPO news they dont tell the whole story, where this research is from.

Then i decided to order more of these parts, i looked into "my ebay", searched for the order so i can order the same again.
Then i see the seller is located in china and the price is cheaper, i am 100% sure i ordered from Taiwan.

Ordering again from china, since no one in Taiwan sells these chips.

So i am used as test subject by ebay, i really dont like it, who can you trust ?, not ebay, facebook, or google with the psychological test they do on people.
If there is a market for these test microsoft will follow for sure, i hope not.

Where did the extra money go ?, is paypal also involved ?

What do you think of that ?, please leave a comment.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 04:54:42 pm »
I once ordered some high drain 18650 batteries in late 2016 batteries from a German seller who sold many things and had good feedback. I think were under a brand called Sigelei, when they arrived they looked dodgy and discovered it was a fake as they had spaces inbetween the writing and discrepancies in the graphics and styling.

I contacted the seller who at first said they believed they were genuine and were given all the paperwork some of which they showed me where they got them from which was someone with an Indian name selling them in Birmingham from a house on a residential street. I found more information about these particular fakes and forwarded it but then the seller gave me a refund, withdrew the listings and told me it has all been sorted.
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 04:57:16 pm »
Why would you think eBay or PayPal are involved?  Chinese sellers made the data that the Dutch News research reported, they know fully well people will pay extra for the perceived quality of products sold from Taiwan.  You received your product, it worked for you, and you felt good about your purchase; you paid extra for a perception of quality.  That's MARKETING 101.

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2019, 05:29:24 pm »
This is interesting. I just assume that it all comes from China, no matter what the "Country" fields says. I don't think I ever made a purchasing decision based on this.  Unless it is a real US seller with stated 2-3 day delivery time, of course.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2019, 05:43:34 pm »
Why would you think eBay or PayPal are involved?  Chinese sellers made the data that the Dutch News research reported, they know fully well people will pay extra for the perceived quality of products sold from Taiwan.  You received your product, it worked for you, and you felt good about your purchase; you paid extra for a perception of quality.  That's MARKETING 101.

Yup. That's still deceptive though, thus potentially illegal in some countries, strictly speaking. But yes, that's an ultra-common marketing tool, and very often used even by big brands, just on the verge of legality, to give an impression of quality. The origin of products is one very common trick.

And yes, I have also on occasion ordered stuff from eBay from a seller that was supposedly based in Europe and sending FROM an european country, and turned out the package came directly from China. I KNEW the product was chinese, but I actually ordered it from Europe so that it would arrive sooner. I didn't complain, but I could have. It's not the country where the seller is based that's really the matter here, but it's that eBay SHOWS that the item will be sent from a specific country, and that's what is deceptive. This is clearly written in the delivery part that a given item is LOCATED at a given place. If this info is wrong, then it's deceptive. Not a matter of quality of product; just a matter of giving false information to the buyer.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2019, 05:52:38 pm »
The seller tells eBay where he is located, and eBay doesn't verify it.
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2019, 05:57:16 pm »
If this info is wrong, then it's deceptive. Not a matter of quality of product; just a matter of giving false information to the buyer.

Yes, but it is the seller being deceptive, not eBay. eBay isn't selling anything but a place for others to transact business. Blaming eBay is like blaming a newspaper for misleading classified ads.
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2019, 06:05:02 pm »
If this info is wrong, then it's deceptive. Not a matter of quality of product; just a matter of giving false information to the buyer.

Yes, but it is the seller being deceptive, not eBay. eBay isn't selling anything but a place for others to transact business. Blaming eBay is like blaming a newspaper for misleading classified ads.

Oh, yep.

You could argue that eBay should check, but thinking about it, it can't really do that. Note that the country where the seller is based COULD be verified, but it's not even the issue there, and this is where it can get misleading.

Under each item, the mention  "Item location:" is written. I think it's a misleading information from eBay. If it stated ONLY the country of origin of the seller, you would not necessarily assume anything about where the item itself is located. A seller has a right to ship items from anywhere in the world. Nothing prevents them from that, and any seller can do it at some point without necessarily being ill-intentioned. This can be part of how their business works; or even for private seller, you can sometimes ship an item from somewhere else for any reason.

The really misleading mention IMO (and as I said, I got trapped by it once) is this "ITEM LOCATION" thing. And there, eBay is responsible. eBay should just change the mention to something less misleading, because as it is, as a buyer, you have every right to THINK this is where the item is really LOCATED. Words have a meaning. If the mention was changed to "seller location", then it would be a lot less misleading... As it's written, eBay contributes to stating deceptive facts.

Just a thought.

 

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2019, 06:12:58 pm »
But the item location does not have to match the seller location. You as a seller can specify any address the item is actually located at. You can sell multiple items located in different places.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2019, 06:17:26 pm »
I order stuff that is listed as Hong Kong because it has a better postal service, it comes from someplace else in China.  I order from China and it comes from countries I can't even begin to spell. I'm just amazed anything comes at all.

I sell something on ebay. Sales have been so so.  I just raised the price $30 in order to attract more customers. Felt I needed to create the right perceived value.
 

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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2019, 06:42:21 pm »
I order from China and it comes from countries I can't even begin to spell. I'm just amazed anything comes at all.

China Post is not the cheapest, despite the UPU agreement.
Some other Asian countries can be cheaper, and there are Chinese logistics services doing that route too in order to shave off the rests few pennies.
 

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2019, 06:54:56 pm »
There are quite a few that advertise on ebay.de with german stock and a local item location, but packaging, customs marking and shipping duration indicates that it was imported on order. There are some chinese shipping centers next to airports and harbors, so i guess for rarely ordered items they just ship directly.

Anyway, address or identity verification services costs real money (in the range of 10-20 Euro), should anyone need such a thing, so ebay would not have much from it, unless disputes are ongoing over fraudulent offers. It is hard to argue if the country of origin is different when the goods are as described, its the goods you bought.

Over here there are brands with a regions name in it (mostly food), where selling under such a name could make it a case of trademark abuse/fraud.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2019, 07:20:04 pm »
But the item location does not have to match the seller location. You as a seller can specify any address the item is actually located at. You can sell multiple items located in different places.

I know it doesn't have to; but it seems like the default value is the seller location, if you don't explicitely set it to something else. It seems to make sense at first, but it's still a bit problematic; it makes it much too easy for sellers to conveniently "forget" about setting it to the real location. (I for one have sold quite a few things on eBay and have never ever touched this item location thing...)

I agree the responsbility is upon the seller's shoulders here; but I do think eBay should make some changes so that it's a bit less easy to mislead buyers. And, as I said, I never complained about it, but I do hope that, as a buyer, it's a valid reason for complaining. Again, if I buy something partly because I know it's located in Europe and not in China, I want that to be true. Whatever my reasons are, I don't want misleading information. I don't have a problem with that being 100% the seller's responsibility; but as always, anything eBay can do to limit dodgy seller behaviors, should be done.

 

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2019, 07:23:25 pm »
There are quite a few that advertise on ebay.de with german stock and a local item location, but packaging, customs marking and shipping duration indicates that it was imported on order. There are some chinese shipping centers next to airports and harbors, so i guess for rarely ordered items they just ship directly.
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Well, many people actually live off selling chinese goods, for an elevated price, on eBay. Nothing wrong with that per se. That's classic import/export sales that people have been doing for centuries...
But if buyers buy from them rather than directly from China, unless they are completely stupid, they do it for a reason: they expect the seller to 1/ handle some stock, so buyers get the items faster, 2/ have checked the goods they resell, so that it's less risky for the buyers than buying them directly... basic reseller service... If the reseller doesn't provide any service like that, they are just parasiting Ebay.
 

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2019, 07:30:40 pm »
There are quite a few that advertise on ebay.de with german stock and a local item location, but packaging, customs marking and shipping duration indicates that it was imported on order. There are some chinese shipping centers next to airports and harbors, so i guess for rarely ordered items they just ship directly.
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Same here in the U.S.   I've purchased items listed as "shipping from the U.S." and the product comes up when filtering your search for items "within the U.S."   
But when I order, tracking number gets provided right away... origin shows its shipping from CHINO, CA, but it takes over a week before any activity shows up... when I finally receive the item, its clearly been shipped from China. 

It's the sellers being deceptive and not EBay.  Below is what tracking starts off looking like:

CHINO, CA 91710
Sep 9, 2019
1:46am
Tracking number provided

CHINO, CA 91710
Sep 8, 2019
9:36am
Merchant Order Receipt Notification, USPS Awaiting Item

CHINO, CA 91710
Sep 8, 2019
10:06am
Departed Shipping Partner Facility, USPS Awaiting Item

CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA 91715
Sep 17, 2019
9:14pm
ORIGIN ACCEPTANCE

Sep 17, 2019
10:29pm
PROCESSED THROUGH USPS FACILITY

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2019, 08:39:26 pm »
And if California enforces immigration rules(...)

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2019, 09:09:30 pm »
It was many years ago that I learned you can't trust anybody.  A TV commercial suggested that by drinking a certain brand of beer I would attract Swedish blondes in bikinis and they would be all over me. It didn't work and I am pretty sure I did everything right (consuming a case of the thing). I am still waiting for the Swedish Bikini Team.  I'm telling ya, you can't trust anybody these days.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2019, 09:26:32 pm »
A TV commercial suggested that by drinking a certain brand of beer I would attract Swedish blondes in bikinis and they would be all over me. It didn't work and I am pretty sure I did everything right (...)

Damn, that bites.

I think you got it backwards though. Drinking beer would not do much. You should have made them drink the beer instead. Swedish girls are usually not last when it comes to having a good drink... ::)
 

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2019, 03:18:42 am »
This is another type of reshipper behavior. Items shipped from China to US in bulk, then distributed by the almighty Chinese community in California.
Ever wonder how the Chinese can get 20% off Amazon gift cards despite devaluation of CNY? Tax fraud, done by the same people doing illegal imports.
They buy gift cards in US, claim tax deduction as business cost (for gifting), then sell them in China, make CNY, then wire money to US as family fund.
What´s the use of US-issued gift cards in China? Since when are they globally useful? Are you implying amazon does not pay tax for them?
Importing goods in a commercial volume is sooner or later getting the IRS on the plan, i guess.

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If Uncle Sam takes less political asylums and religious workers from China, there will be less human trashes doing fake shipping and tax fraud in USA.
And if California enforces immigration rules, another half of Chinese human trashes will not end up there.
Would you please not call people human trash?
How big would you estimate this particular problem, given the distribution of the various crimes and their damage to society?
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2019, 03:29:37 am »
What´s the use of US-issued gift cards in China?

Shopping on US Amazon. Yes, they do ship to China.
And yes, they ban users shopping exclusively from foreign gift cards, but this is hit and miss and if you don't fund your purchase more than 50% from gift cards, they won't ban you.

Would you please not call people human trash?

Oh, I am just a big fan of communist party and anyone who tried to challenge them then fled to abroad is my enemy.
Politics aside, those people parasite on taxpayers' money of both countries.

How big would you estimate this particular problem, given the distribution of the various crimes and their damage to society?

I don't know, but I know for the sake of spreading Western democracy to the world at the cost of Western taxpayer's immigration benefits and social welfares is not true democracy.
 

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2019, 08:28:45 am »
How big would you estimate this particular problem, given the distribution of the various crimes and their damage to society?

Blueskull, I have sent you personal warning, please quit the Chinese politics on this forum. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2019, 09:16:09 am »
How big would you estimate this particular problem, given the distribution of the various crimes and their damage to society?

Blueskull, I have sent you personal warning, please quit the Chinese politics on this forum. Thanks.

My fault. I started the political part.
That being said, I'd like if you can kindly get rid of other Chinese political posts before they got me triggered.
 

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2019, 09:23:04 am »
That being said, I'd like if you can kindly get rid of other Chinese political posts before they got me triggered.

Your posts are the ones that get reported, stop being "triggered", simply do not respond.
 

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2019, 09:47:39 am »
Your posts are the ones that get reported, stop being "triggered", simply do not respond.

Fair enough.
 

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2019, 10:45:13 am »
What do you think of that ?, please leave a comment.

I do not really understand your complaint. Maybe I am missing something.

The way I see it the essence of your purchase contract is that (1) in exchange for your agreed payment, (2) you receive the goods ordered and of specified quality, (3) to be delivered to you in a period agreed to. 

I understand those conditions were fulfilled and I do not see any basis for complaint. 

I do not believe the location from where the goods were shipped to you is of any consequence or forms any essential part of the contract.

If I contract with Joe's Roofing to fix my roof and for whatever reason he subcontracts with someone else, generally I have no basis to complain (if the work was done correctly) regardless of who did the work.

There are exceptions where the person doing the work is of the essence of the contract. Like if I hire Leonardo DiCaprio for a movie he can't turn around and tell me his cousin Joe the Roofer is going to do the acting in his stead.
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