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Education level required for employment as EE
void_error:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on September 10, 2016, 11:52:56 am ---The danger with too much specialisation is you learn more and more about less and less, until eventually you will know everything about nothing. :-DD
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Over here, from my experience, a lot of EEs know nothing about EE even after they graduate. They either find a way to cheat through exams or learn everything mechanically (and get good grades for that), without understanding it and are unable to apply what they studied. The whole education system is ass-backwards if you ask me, outdated by at least 25-30 years. I've given up trying to get my degree in Applied Electronics for a few years but I'll be back to university this autumn and hopefully I'll get that bloody piece of paper. I've learned too much by myself during those years not to officially be an engineer, even had (still have, until this month passes) a job in this field as they couldn't find anyone with a degree capable enough.
rstofer:
--- Quote from: Galenbo on September 13, 2016, 11:25:30 am ---
--- Quote from: rstofer on September 01, 2016, 02:49:14 pm ---Math: Well, EE has a bunch of math classes and I have come to the conclusion that the better you are at math, the more money you make. Regrettably, Statistics is included in that observation. I hate Statistics!
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Math is needed to be able to make money, and Statistics is necessary to prevent liars from taking your money away.
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Indeed! It actually helps if you are born cynical. Not believing much of anything is probably the best way to keep your money.
Here is a dandy little book "How To Lie With Statistics" some 60+ years old.
http://www.horace.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/How-to-Lie-With-Statistics-1954-Huff.pdf
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: rstofer on September 13, 2016, 09:08:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Galenbo on September 13, 2016, 11:25:30 am ---
--- Quote from: rstofer on September 01, 2016, 02:49:14 pm ---Math: Well, EE has a bunch of math classes and I have come to the conclusion that the better you are at math, the more money you make. Regrettably, Statistics is included in that observation. I hate Statistics!
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Math is needed to be able to make money, and Statistics is necessary to prevent liars from taking your money away.
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Indeed! It actually helps if you are born cynical. Not believing much of anything is probably the best way to keep your money.
Here is a dandy little book "How To Lie With Statistics" some 60+ years old.
http://www.horace.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/How-to-Lie-With-Statistics-1954-Huff.pdf
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Yes to all of that. Huff's book is just as accurate and relevant today.
EmmanuelFaure:
I second that, Huff's book is a masterpiece that everybody should have read long before graduating.
setq:
Another perspective.
From the age of about 8 I was interested in electronics and had been designing and building things from scratch since about the age of 12. I taught myself algebra and calculus from books from the library before I picked it up at school. I got in trouble for skipping some language lessons and religious education to hide and play with transistors instead.
So I thought, hey I'll do an EE degree. Which I did, 18 years ago at a good university here in the UK. I quit after a year, with good grades I will add. I have precisely zero prospects of getting an EE job. That's the way I like it and I have no regrets at all.
Why?
It was hell. SPICE, VHDL, PASCAL were the soup of the day served cold with a side helping of politics. This thoroughly ruined my interest in the subject for a good few years. Also, only one subject, digital electronics, was well taught and enjoyable and the lecturer actually wrote decent material and a supporting book.
Turns out I was pretty good at writing software, which is all we really did in the EE degree anyway, not that I explicitly like doing it so I jumped on that bandwagon and went for cash instead. This paid off and I spent a good few years working at a hardware company with EE's running their operational and asset management software. Spoke to lots of EE's there and they agreed with my perspective. So over many a lunch time I filled in any gaps with real people in the industry and learned a lot more than I ever would have elsewhere.
On this basis I'm all for apprenticeships. University is an expensive way of obtaining some paper that proves nothing. I also have to recruit software engineers regularly and this is definitely apparent there too.
Also I'm a firm believer that if you are interested in something, don't make it into work. Do something you hate that pays well and keep your spare time for the things you really care about.
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