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EEVblog&some other YouTube channels, no longer free, at best (HD) quality levels

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Veteran68:

--- Quote from: MK14 on August 19, 2023, 05:59:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Veteran68 on August 19, 2023, 05:39:23 pm ---You are exactly describing why YT has a Premium offering. YT is a free service that costs a FORTUNE for Google to operate. Their only revenue stream was ads. Then you have the creators, without which (to Dave's point) the platform wouldn't exist, who also don't get compensated when ads are blocked. Premium solves both issues -- it provides a guaranteed revenue stream to both the platform and creators, and at the same time provides a much improved user experience to its users. I simply fail to see why people are complaining about a paid tier of service.

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Researching it via google, the very first hit, seems to indicate that it is not offering anything outstanding, especially compared to the competition.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/youtube-red-worth-money-things-need-consider/

Summary:

--- Quote ---Otherwise, there's not much of a draw to YouTube Premium. Originals are dead and most shows don't require a subscription to watch now—if you even care about any of them. Cobra Kai, arguably the biggest YouTube Original, is now on Netflix.

For a few more dollars per month, the Standard tier Netflix subscription provides far higher-quality shows and movies than YouTube Originals offers. Amazon Prime, which is roughly $12/month when paid annually, includes access to Prime Video, Prime Music, free shipping, and more benefits. That makes YouTube Premium look a lot less attractive in comparison.
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--- Quote --- Should You Join YouTube Premium?

The truth is that YouTube Premium is a mixed bag that will only appeal to certain people. If ads don't bother you, you don't need Premium. Unless you have lots of interest in checking out the YouTube Originals catalog, Premium isn't worth it. And if you don't use YouTube's mobile apps often, you won't appreciate all the Premium benefits.
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First of all, MUO is basically the tabloid version of a tech site. Not all that credible, their content is largely regurgitated crap, much of it wrong. Often the writers have no real clue what they're talking about.

But just look at that statement: if you don't mind ads, if you don't use mobile apps, if you don't like their programming, then Premium may not be for you. Well, duh! That's the whole point of Premium. If I don't want Netflix 4K programming, why would I pay the extra fee for it?

You were complaining how unfair it was for YT to charge for things that people use for free. Other than that on its face being wrong (as Dave said, Premium isn't removing anything from the free tier, it's adding to the paid tier). We were explaining all the reasons that Premium makes sense to people who are bothered by ads. To people who want to watch/listen offline. To people who (now) want higher bitrates.

If you don't want any of those things, then you don't pay for Premium and you're in absolutely the same place you were before this thread. I do not understand why you keep trying to justify why YOU don't want to pay for Premium but talk as if you're entitled to anything at all from YT.

MK14:

--- Quote from: Veteran68 on August 19, 2023, 06:32:39 pm ---You were complaining how unfair it was for YT to charge for things that people use for free. Other than that on its face being wrong (as Dave said, Premium isn't removing anything from the free tier, it's adding to the paid tier). We were explaining all the reasons that Premium makes sense to people who are bothered by ads. To people who want to watch/listen offline. To people who (now) want higher bitrates.

If you don't want any of those things, then you don't pay for Premium and you're in absolutely the same place you were before this thread. I do not understand why you keep trying to justify why YOU don't want to pay for Premium but talk as if you're entitled to anything at all from YT.

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We seem to be going round in circles.

My desire to not have to pay or have any subscriptions (ideally), seems to trigger negative responses, in this thread.  Not everyone likes subscriptions, perhaps because of paying for them, the accumulating costs, and feeling pressurised into using the paid for services, each month.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on August 19, 2023, 04:08:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on August 19, 2023, 03:43:02 pm ---But for many people, YouTube is also an educational / instructional resource.
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Now that Google owns Youtube, it seems like Youtube turns up in the search results more than it should. So something that could be explained by a single graphic or paragraph, now becomes a tedious 5-10 minute video. Don't get me wrong. For some things a video is a great format. But it seems that too much of it is all about feeding you ads while dispensing very little actual info.

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Instructional videos with rubbish music are the worst ones. It's often very loud and the video is too slow. I often have to watch them muted at 1.5 or double speed.

gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 19, 2023, 09:46:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on August 19, 2023, 04:08:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on August 19, 2023, 03:43:02 pm ---But for many people, YouTube is also an educational / instructional resource.
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Now that Google owns Youtube, it seems like Youtube turns up in the search results more than it should. So something that could be explained by a single graphic or paragraph, now becomes a tedious 5-10 minute video. Don't get me wrong. For some things a video is a great format. But it seems that too much of it is all about feeding you ads while dispensing very little actual info.

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Instructional videos with rubbish music are the worst ones. It's often very loud and the video is too slow. I often have to watch them muted at 1.5 or double speed.

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Then there are the ones that run too quickly with the full 4K screen jammed into the video display.  Those I run even faster, with the Benny Hill theme song playing. 

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: MK14 on August 19, 2023, 09:06:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Veteran68 on August 19, 2023, 06:32:39 pm ---You were complaining how unfair it was for YT to charge for things that people use for free. Other than that on its face being wrong (as Dave said, Premium isn't removing anything from the free tier, it's adding to the paid tier). We were explaining all the reasons that Premium makes sense to people who are bothered by ads. To people who want to watch/listen offline. To people who (now) want higher bitrates.

If you don't want any of those things, then you don't pay for Premium and you're in absolutely the same place you were before this thread. I do not understand why you keep trying to justify why YOU don't want to pay for Premium but talk as if you're entitled to anything at all from YT.

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We seem to be going round in circles.

My desire to not have to pay or have any subscriptions (ideally), seems to trigger negative responses, in this thread.  Not everyone likes subscriptions, perhaps because of paying for them, the accumulating costs, and feeling pressurised into using the paid for services, each month.

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As Veteran68 said, nothing at all has changed for you. In fact things have only improved in terms of what Youtube has offered you for free over the years.

I use and like Premium because it means I don't get any ads at all, and (majority of) that money gets divided up among the videoa I watch that month without me having to keep track of who I subscribe to etc. If a creator doesn't make any videos that interest me that month they automatically don't get any of my Premium money because I didn't watch any of their stuff.
As a user I just wish there was more transparency over where my Premium money went that month instead of "trust me bro".

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