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Offline FaringdonTopic starter

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Electric car for £9500?
« on: September 30, 2023, 04:53:50 pm »
Hi,
All new cars must be electric by 2035.
Cheapest  ATM is Chinese BYD at £25k

I reckon, if the government , or someone, payed me, id be able to produce an electric car, 70mph, range 200 miles, 4 seat, for £9000.
Would be ugly, but would get from A to B.

I dont even think it would be difficult.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2023, 09:15:49 pm by Faringdon »
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2023, 04:59:41 pm »
Looks like an AI troll, the OP must be banned immediately.

Do you agree?
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2023, 05:00:40 pm »
Off the meds again?
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2023, 05:07:30 pm »
On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2023, 05:09:14 pm »
Who is stopping you? Go for it.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2023, 06:12:48 pm »
On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.

Go on then.  Let us know when you're ready for orders.  I'll take two.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2023, 06:20:07 pm »
Hi,
All new cars must be electric by 2035.
It is not going to happen. Even the new Euro7 standard which started very ambitiously has been cut down so significantly in the final form that it is almost not worthy of increasing the number from Euro6 to Euro7.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2023, 06:34:21 pm »
On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.

Go on then.  Let us know when you're ready for orders.  I'll take two.

I advise caution. The in-vehicle DC-DC converters are likely to be ropey at best.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2023, 06:41:13 pm »
UK car production has been falling steadily every year since 2016.

I cannot believe the UK, being outside the major markets (US, EU, China, Japan) can compete in the mass market car production. They can compete in luxury and other niche markets but I cannot see how they could compete with the economies of scale of the big three markets.

EU countries have a much larger supplier base and customer base.

Today a car assembled in France might have parts from Germany and other countries and those parts might have components from other countries as well.

I just cannot see the UK being competitive if they are outside and have to deal with documentation, tariffs, etc.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2023, 06:45:27 pm »
On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.

I've been lurking for the last two years, as I have better things to do than hand around here, and was around a long time before then. Through this time and all incarnations of your user account I've seen you deliver absolutely fuck all other than scraping away at other people's existence with your parasitic fantasist attention seeking bullshit, bold claims, stupid questions and general ignorance of the reality of business, engineering and not being a complete dick.

Please for gods sake think before you start another one of these fucking threads, open your face hole or do something. Just be normal. You're not special. Neither are any of us.

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2023, 08:02:19 pm »
On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.

Go for it! About time to revive that rich tradition of quirky and unreliable British cars. ::)
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2023, 09:28:29 pm »
I dont even think it would be difficult.

Sure. Anyone can design and build safe, reliable cars compliant with the required regulations. :-DD
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2023, 10:03:44 pm »
Sure. Anyone can design and build safe, reliable cars compliant with the required regulations. :-DD
Don't forget the low price point and other requirements:  70mph, range 200 miles, 4 seat, for £9000
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2023, 10:03:59 pm »
The electrical and battery controls are the easy stuff, in this day and age.
The safety requirements are just as stiff as on presently available automobiles (ICE, hybrid, or battery powered).
What is the cheapest ICE vehicle available now in UK?
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2023, 12:55:37 am »
On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.

Go on then.  Let us know when you're ready for orders.  I'll take two.

Probably will have a "Driveway warranty".  Once you've left the driveway - no more warranty.


Having said that .... What will be the landed cost in Oz?
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2023, 01:31:30 am »
Given you've pulled out 9500 GBP and not guesstimated 9000 or 10000 it seem you have some kind of nonsense BOM to come up with this figure.

Post a cost breakdown. If this could be done it would be. You're living in some kind of fantasy land.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2023, 01:44:38 am »
I see the BOM as a small part of the exercise.  The BIG cost factor is going to be the R&D for the construction of a vehicle that will pass safety requirements for travelling on public roads.

Of course, if it's just going to be a paddock basher (ie being driven on private property), then that cost falls to pretty much zero - but it limits the market somewhat.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2023, 01:50:13 am »

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battery
who said anything about a battery?  just that it will be an electric car


Leaked pictures of the first prototype
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2023, 01:50:28 am »
Fair but for laughs let's ignore R&D costs...
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2023, 03:49:29 am »
What is going to happen in the forthcoming copper wars?  use aluminium?
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2023, 04:38:00 am »
What's going to happen with the electricity war? :-DD
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2023, 05:37:13 am »
You guys reading it wrong.  £9000 will be the price of the power supply OP will design for an electric car.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2023, 08:11:04 am »
In my opinion the UK would be the last one to produce a cheap electric car. By a long margin of probability it would be China and then Japan. At a distance the EU and far behind the USA.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2023, 08:44:42 am »
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id be able to produce an electric car, 70mph, range 200 miles, 4 seat, for £9000.
I think I'd rather have a car with a price level of over 9000

Anyhow. An car? Is that just 1? Or a series run?

200miles = 320km
x 195Wh/km
= ~64kWh battery pack

Battery pack cost 151$/kWh in Dec 6'22
Battery pack: 9664$ or £7923.
Good luck to build a whole car around it for £1500. :bullshit:
« Last Edit: October 01, 2023, 08:46:54 am by hans »
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2023, 08:56:55 am »
Feasible, if "Batteries not included".
 
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