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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2023, 09:10:41 am »
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All new cars must be electric by 2035.
Cheapest  ATM is Chinese BYD at £25k

I reckon, if the government , or someone, payed me, id be able to produce an electric car, 70mph, range 200 miles, 4 seat, for £9000.
Would be ugly, but would get from A to B.

I dont even think it would be difficult.
Well maybe if someone "payed" you several hundred million to cover R&D & production facilities and subsidised the batteries you could sell a few, but even then it would be difficult. Production is hard.

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2023, 09:28:15 am »
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What is the cheapest ICE vehicle available now in UK?
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In 2017, in UK, you could buy a brand new Dacia Sandero for £5000.
It is , and was, a perfectly good, reliable , comfortable car.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2023, 10:08:43 am »
It was more than that and how is the price from 6 years ago relevant?
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2023, 10:38:23 am »
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What is the cheapest ICE vehicle available now in UK?
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In 2017, in UK, you could buy a brand new Dacia Sandero for £5000.
It is , and was, a perfectly good, reliable , comfortable car.
Now £14K
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2023, 11:28:37 am »
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It was more than that and how is the price from 6 years ago relevant?
It was ~£5000 in around 2015-2017.
It shows it can be done...not that long ago.
The car was unfairly trashed on Top Gear so didnt sell well.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2023, 11:36:11 am »
Eh, no: https://www.buyacar.co.uk/dacia/sandero/sandero-hatchback/238/dacia-sandero-2013-2021
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The Dacia Sandero made headlines when it arrived back in 2013 as the UK’s cheapest new car, with prices starting from just £5,995. While prices went up throughout the car's life, with the start price jumping to £6,995, it remained Britain's cheapest new car.

And subsequently, the entry level trim which nobody buys got axed in 2021: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dacia-sandero-nudges-%C2%A310000-access-entry-trim-axed

That car costed 10.8kEUR in NL around 2015. Thats 13.7k in todays money. A new one costs 14.5k EUR. So they're asking 800 EUR more for it, but considering we had a chip shortage, a covid crisis (everyone got out public transport, needed a cheap or 2nd hand car) and possibly tax changes, it's not too strange.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2023, 11:56:33 am »
Over here list prices for the basic Dacias are 11 300€ for the Sandero and 22 700€ for the electric "Spring" (reduced to 15 500€ after subsidies). Not that far apart if one can live with the limited range of the Spring.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2023, 11:57:55 am »
The original Sandero wasn't tested for NCAP safety. The current 2021 Sandero model scores an impressive.... 2 Star NCAP rating!  (Source, official Euro NCAP site).

Would your £9k figure include NCAP testing and decent safety rating, or would buyers and their families have to rely on the 'trust me' approach.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2023, 04:23:31 pm »
I think Mr. Faringdon may end up crashing his marvellous motor vehicle through Chesterton's Fence if he thinks in this day and age a competent, safe, and desirable electric car can be produced for £9500.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2023, 07:37:36 pm »
The original Sandero wasn't tested for NCAP safety. The current 2021 Sandero model scores an impressive.... 2 Star NCAP rating!  (Source, official Euro NCAP site).

Would your £9k figure include NCAP testing and decent safety rating, or would buyers and their families have to rely on the 'trust me' approach.

tbf some of the NCAP stuff is a bit .... being safe in a crash is just a part of it, to get a top rating you need things like automatic braking for cyclist, be soft to a pedestrian you run over, have lane assist, parking assist etc.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2023, 08:02:59 pm »
Oh agreed, you need lots of safety bits to come out with 5 stars these days but, downloading the pdf report, things like chest protection in frontal impact come out as marginal too (lack of belt load limiters I think).
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2023, 09:14:03 pm »
Hi,
All new cars must be electric by 2035.
Cheapest  ATM is Chinese BYD at £25k

I reckon, if the government , or someone, payed me, id be able to produce an electric car, 70mph, range 200 miles, 4 seat, for £9000.
Would be ugly, but would get from A to B.

I dont even think it would be difficult.

Have you considered GoFundMe or a KickStarter?    Heck, I might even spot you that cash IF YOU PROVIDE INSURANCE YOU WILL DELIVER IN 9 MONTHS (or any agreed upon time frame).  Now, if you can't deliver within the agreed upon timeframe, what would the penalty be?  That's the problem you have created.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2023, 09:41:51 pm »
eevblog forum will need a whole new sub section just to deal with all the design questions that will asked along the way.
And what would this new car be named?
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2023, 09:53:21 pm »
eevblog forum will need a whole new sub section just to deal with all the design questions that will asked along the way.
And what would this new car be named?

imaginary?
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2023, 10:10:01 pm »
And what would this new car be named?

"F-King" car, in honor of the creator's alias.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2023, 11:13:16 pm »
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What is the cheapest ICE vehicle available now in UK?
Thanks,
In 2017, in UK, you could buy a brand new Dacia Sandero for £5000.
It is , and was, a perfectly good, reliable , comfortable car.

You know where Dacia cars are manufactured, right? And they are benefiting from decades of experience in the car industry from both former Dacia and Renault. Definitely not your random newcomer.

With that said, are most car makers currently milking the green cow and will be for years to come with EVs? Absolutely!
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2023, 11:35:59 pm »
As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers:
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2023, 12:48:28 am »
As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers:
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/
Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs.

As usual this thread is another time sink. Nonsense premise and then when simple questions are asked Faringdon just ignores them. I was somewhat anti ban before but how do these threads add any value here? Yes the solution is auto ignore the user but so is banning.

I can't possibly see why he's held so many positions over the years. /s
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2023, 01:24:58 am »
And subsequently, the entry level trim which nobody buys got axed in 2021

Exactly: even if someone could produce such a cheap car, you wouldn't get a lot of people in the UK actually buying it -- regardless of whether it's electric.

Most people want crash safety and power seats and emergency braking and navigation systems, and everything else in modern cars.  If they can afford it they are willing to pay for them.  The few people who don't want those things are already driving some 1990s economy hatchback held together by duct tape and they like it that way. They aren't going to buy your new car either.

So to sell such a cheap car you would need to either do so in a market that values those features less or aren't willing or able to pay for them.  Or make a car that people in the UK actually want.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2023, 07:49:42 am »
eevblog forum will need a whole new sub section just to deal with all the design questions that will asked along the way.
And what would this new car be named?
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2023, 08:14:26 am »
And what would this new car be named?

Grim Reaper
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2023, 08:36:06 am »

And what would this new car be named?

The Pinto.

With an advertising blurb.

Ignite an inferno of fun. Get in and in no time at you will be burning down the highway. Years from now they still be recalling the Pinto. Get one quick because they are hot, hot, hot.
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2023, 10:15:04 am »
As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers:
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/
Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs.

As usual this thread is another time sink. Nonsense premise and then when simple questions are asked Faringdon just ignores them. I was somewhat anti ban before but how do these threads add any value here? Yes the solution is auto ignore the user but so is banning.

I can't possibly see why he's held so many positions over the years. /s

Plus VAT at 20% and import duty for non-EU manufacture at 10% plus any consumer rights legislation (right to reject if defective, mandatory parts supply, recalls for safety issues etc.)  A huge amount of car cost is paying for these added consumer benefits.

 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2023, 10:29:53 am »

And what would this new car be named?

The Mitty.

Heck, make it amphibious too :- the Water Mitty.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2023, 10:38:59 am »
Hi,
All new cars must be electric by 2035.
Cheapest  ATM is Chinese BYD at £25k

I reckon, if the government , or someone, payed me, id be able to produce an electric car, 70mph, range 200 miles, 4 seat, for £9000.
Would be ugly, but would get from A to B.

I dont even think it would be difficult.

On or off any meds i could knock this product out for cheap, easily.

AI generated post?

Attention seeking individual?

Troll?

Naive fool?

Could be any or all of those, who knows.

More importantly, IMHO it doesn't matter. The key point is that the OP bringing the forum into disrepute, and degrading its usefulness.
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