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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2023, 10:45:28 am »
We finally reveal the face of Faringdon  ;D



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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2023, 11:57:56 am »
We finally reveal the face of Faringdon  ;D

Faringdon, can you confirm or deny that is you in those videos?
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2023, 12:15:27 pm »

And what would this new car be named?

The Mitty.

Heck, make it amphibious too :- the Water Mitty.

Its not going to fly?
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2023, 12:47:06 pm »
An electric car for £9,500 is entirely feasible. It could even go lower. Consider subcontracting a Chinese EV car maker, modifying one of their models to meet safety compliance requirements, and then seeking taxpayer subsidies to cover the cost difference.
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2023, 12:50:23 pm »
An electric car for £9,500 is entirely feasible. It could even go lower. Consider subcontracting a Chinese EV car maker, modifying one of their models to meet safety compliance requirements, and then seeking taxpayer subsidies to cover the cost difference.
There are electric cars in China for well under £9,500. They aren't very large, or sophisticated, or long range. On the other band, they seem practical for use around town, like a kei car in Japan.
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2023, 12:53:38 pm »
The renault twizz ? they don't make those anymore as people tend to want a bike or a car, not a bastardization of the two. That was "cheap" no modcons, bit cold and breezy
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2023, 12:59:13 pm »
The renault twizz ? they don't make those anymore as people tend to want a bike or a car, not a bastardization of the two. That was "cheap" no modcons, bit cold and breezy
Those things were a joke. The vehicle looked OK. The price looked OK. The two did NOT match up. I think at a more reasonable price there would have been a reasonable market for scooter like applications.
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2023, 01:07:53 pm »
The renault twizz ? they don't make those anymore as people tend to want a bike or a car, not a bastardization of the two. That was "cheap" no modcons, bit cold and breezy

I remember seeing one of those for the first time in London first impressions was "what the f*** is that?" as I recell.

Citreon Ami looks like it might be fun at just under £8k, I'm trying to convince my wife that she needs one as she wants a smaller car for whizzing down the tiny lanes here in the rural South West :D
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2023, 01:11:54 pm »
The renault twizz ? they don't make those anymore as people tend to want a bike or a car, not a bastardization of the two. That was "cheap" no modcons, bit cold and breezy

I remember seeing one of those for the first time in London first impressions was "what the f*** is that?" as I recell.

Citreon Ami looks like it might be fun at just under £8k, I'm trying to convince my wife that she needs one as she wants a smaller car for whizzing down the tiny lanes here in the rural South West :D

top speed 45km/h ....
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2023, 01:27:49 pm »
... when pushed off the top of a building.
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2023, 01:50:18 pm »
If I underdeliver enough I can do you one for £500. https://www.argos.co.uk/product/9544725

(£180 distribution fee added to the supplier cost)
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2023, 02:15:57 pm »
top speed 45km/h ....

That's plenty, you've never driven round here then...

...nor been a passenger with my wife  >:D
 
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2023, 02:25:36 pm »

AI generated post?

Attention seeking individual?

Troll?

Naive fool?

Could be any or all of those, who knows.

More importantly, IMHO it doesn't matter. The key point is that the OP bringing the forum into disrepute, and degrading its usefulness.
My guess is that options 2,3 and 4 apply, but I am no behavioural analyst or psychiatrist, so I do not know for sure.

You missed out option 5:

5) amoral scammer/fraudster/crook

I have no idea if option 5 is true or false, but if I were to invest, I would want to investigate the possibility

I suspect that if anyone were to be duped into investing in treez, there would be no intention and/or ability on his part of putting any of the investment into any kind of real product

All evidenced on old old post still available from history:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/electronics-device-to-count-numbers-of-people/msg3958469/#msg3958469

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EEVBLOG 21 Jan 2022 23:00

Hi,
We are looking for a software engineer to come and work for us. We have a product which installs onto lamp-posts in town centres/underground stations/football grounds/bus stops,  and counts the number of people who pass by.
We need you to not necessarily write the software for it, but pretend that you did....you must be able to sound like you did write the software...you see, we are seeking funding from the UK government  to bring this product to the UK market. Even though we simply received the product from our master Chinese company, we must make it look like we made the product ourselves, in order that the UK government will give us the money to take this product forward and market it.

We are bandstanding that "British designed and built" thing...even though none of us  designed or built the product, ...we do have engineering degrees which make us "look the part".
Anyway, please get in touch if you can...we stand to be millionaires by the end of the year. We can get you over to China where you can speak with the actual software engineers...there you can learn to "talk the talk"!!......and get ready for a very bloated bank account!!!

We have targeted people in the funding sector, who know what we're up to, but will "turn a blind eye"...but we still need to fool the "system" generally....there's big bucks to be had from the funding sector alone!......even before we start talking actual  profits!

"Pro-British" type people need not apply..... after all, this is all about forwarding the decline of the UK ,while seriously augmenting our personal bank accounts!

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2023, 02:27:07 pm »
That's worse garbage than the VC shit I have to listen to in the fintech industry  :-DD
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2023, 04:38:58 pm »
We finally reveal the face of Faringdon  ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKA1P1dh4fI

Hah, yes I remember watching this loon. Serious lack of understanding of the laws of physics, thermodynamics, or even basic logic.

He should get this guy to be his chief development engineer:
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2023, 04:50:35 pm »
Regarding lead acid car videos in reply #50 ....

Has anyone noticed how the car body above has an opaque windscreen?

Does anyone think it odd that there is no video of the car travelling along a road?

Maybe I am just too sceptical

I call BS on those videos
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2023, 04:53:15 pm »

AI generated post?

Attention seeking individual?

Troll?

Naive fool?

Could be any or all of those, who knows.

More importantly, IMHO it doesn't matter. The key point is that the OP bringing the forum into disrepute, and degrading its usefulness.
My guess is that options 2,3 and 4 apply, but I am no behavioural analyst or psychiatrist, so I do not know for sure.

You missed out option 5:

5) amoral scammer/fraudster/crook

6) Total incompetent who's too dumb to realise that he shouldn't troll the people he regularly ask for help doing his day job.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2023, 04:55:52 pm »
Good point

My bet is on 2) to 6) inclusive

plus maybe 7, 8, 9 10 and above...

Not good whatever way you view it...

I will not be investing (ROFL)
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2023, 09:32:22 pm »
As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers:
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/
Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs.
You're thinking Australian levels of automtoive protectionism/safety/red-tape. UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/28311/watch-this-couch-drive-down-the-highway
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2023, 09:47:44 pm »
UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs:
There is a difference between building a single custom car and importing pre-made cars for sale. Custom junk is permitted in most places with minimal regulations. But once you start talking productions quantities, you are in a huge trouble.
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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2023, 10:36:37 pm »
UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs:
There is a difference between building a single custom car and importing pre-made cars for sale. Custom junk is permitted in most places with minimal regulations. But once you start talking productions quantities, you are in a huge trouble.
Its actually not that different for mass volume, other than needing to undertake the mandatory compliance tests. Having actually looked into this.

Yes you might end up with a comically low safety rating, but those vehicles still end up on the market. Or sell them as second hand and that all disappears.

ps, most places might have minimal regulations, but Australia is the reverse being harder to register one-off/custom vehicles than arbitrary mass volume vehicle from some other country. Having actually looked into this.....
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2023, 02:38:22 am »
As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers:
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/
Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs.
You're thinking Australian levels of automtoive protectionism/safety/red-tape. UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/28311/watch-this-couch-drive-down-the-highway
No I'm thinking to make an actual production car. You can't just attach an engine to something and sell it as a car even in the UK.

Import costs/duties as well.
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2023, 02:50:58 am »
As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers:
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/
Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs.
You're thinking Australian levels of automtoive protectionism/safety/red-tape. UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/28311/watch-this-couch-drive-down-the-highway
No I'm thinking to make an actual production car. You can't just attach an engine to something and sell it as a car even in the UK.

Import costs/duties as well.
The barriers are fairly low in the UK for that sort of thing:
"In the case of unmodified Mass Produced vehicles, the standards in this section shall be considered to be met."
Bringing an already engineered vehicle into the UK is not some Sisyphean task, and relatively encouraged/easy compared to other markets (like say Australia). That Tata motors model also demonstrates the discussed price point is achievable in volume. So it would be believable to import that model which is..... already electric and passing through UN/ECE harmonised testing:
https://www.globalncap.org/s/SaferCarsForIndia-Tigor-2021-fact-sheet.pdf
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2023, 06:23:10 am »
Hah, yes I remember watching this loon. Serious lack of understanding of the laws of physics, thermodynamics, or even basic logic.

He should get this guy to be his chief development engineer:

I needed that laugh - though I'm glad it was only highlights.  My head would have exploded if there was any more of it.

It is appropriate here, though.
 

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Re: Electric car for £9500?
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2023, 09:16:04 am »
I am seriously impressed with just how objectionable the people are on this forum. Not one 'hey, how would the car be made' post at all, just flaming and snide comments.

Note that the OP gave no boundaries to what this car would be other than price and performance. So, lets think outside the box. In my odd trips to the scrap yard I see cars with early noughties registration plates on them, so 20 years old. Why are they scrapped I ask? Fag tray is full, or more usually they can't be bothered to replace the cam belt, stuffed engine. So here we have a complete car, just missing a working engine. Why not replace with an electric motor and some batteries?

Lots of space to hold the batteries, and if use lead acid then a reasonable price as well. Need a speed control, ever used an electric fork lift truck? My one worked fine with a not very expensive speed control, even has regenerative braking. A range of 100 miles at 5 miles/kWh means 20 kW, a 12V at 100Ah is 1.2kWh, so need 24V at 1000Ah. A 6V 150Ah battery is 22kg so total weight is  about 600kg, easily carried in a small car missing the engine and transmission. Lead acid batteries are a well known item, can be endlessly recycled, easily available in a huge range of size and capacity, and weight can't be a problem when electric cars seem to be over 2 tonnes.

What else is needed? Got rust free body shell, brakes, steering, door, windows, all safety approvals, so just a heater for winter.

There are people who will replace your classic car engine with an electric drive, price I have seen is about £50k, not really affordable. There is so much traffic on the roads now that single carriageway speeds are about 45mph from my experience.

So, how about it, what would be possible using scrap car body shells?
 


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