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| Someone:
--- Quote from: ataradov on October 02, 2023, 09:47:44 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on October 02, 2023, 09:32:22 pm ---UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs: --- End quote --- There is a difference between building a single custom car and importing pre-made cars for sale. Custom junk is permitted in most places with minimal regulations. But once you start talking productions quantities, you are in a huge trouble. --- End quote --- Its actually not that different for mass volume, other than needing to undertake the mandatory compliance tests. Having actually looked into this. Yes you might end up with a comically low safety rating, but those vehicles still end up on the market. Or sell them as second hand and that all disappears. ps, most places might have minimal regulations, but Australia is the reverse being harder to register one-off/custom vehicles than arbitrary mass volume vehicle from some other country. Having actually looked into this..... |
| Shonky:
--- Quote from: Someone on October 02, 2023, 09:32:22 pm --- --- Quote from: Shonky on October 02, 2023, 12:48:28 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on October 01, 2023, 11:35:59 pm ---As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers: https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/ --- End quote --- Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs. --- End quote --- You're thinking Australian levels of automtoive protectionism/safety/red-tape. UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs: https://www.thedrive.com/news/28311/watch-this-couch-drive-down-the-highway --- End quote --- No I'm thinking to make an actual production car. You can't just attach an engine to something and sell it as a car even in the UK. Import costs/duties as well. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: Shonky on October 03, 2023, 02:38:22 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on October 02, 2023, 09:32:22 pm --- --- Quote from: Shonky on October 02, 2023, 12:48:28 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on October 01, 2023, 11:35:59 pm ---As usual, beaten to the punch by them meddling upstart superior foreign engineers: https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/price/ --- End quote --- Now deliver it to the UK fully compliant with vehicle requirements and see how much it costs. --- End quote --- You're thinking Australian levels of automtoive protectionism/safety/red-tape. UK is the land of road legal lounge chairs: https://www.thedrive.com/news/28311/watch-this-couch-drive-down-the-highway --- End quote --- No I'm thinking to make an actual production car. You can't just attach an engine to something and sell it as a car even in the UK. Import costs/duties as well. --- End quote --- The barriers are fairly low in the UK for that sort of thing: "In the case of unmodified Mass Produced vehicles, the standards in this section shall be considered to be met." Bringing an already engineered vehicle into the UK is not some Sisyphean task, and relatively encouraged/easy compared to other markets (like say Australia). That Tata motors model also demonstrates the discussed price point is achievable in volume. So it would be believable to import that model which is..... already electric and passing through UN/ECE harmonised testing: https://www.globalncap.org/s/SaferCarsForIndia-Tigor-2021-fact-sheet.pdf |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on October 02, 2023, 04:38:58 pm ---Hah, yes I remember watching this loon. Serious lack of understanding of the laws of physics, thermodynamics, or even basic logic. He should get this guy to be his chief development engineer: --- End quote --- I needed that laugh - though I'm glad it was only highlights. My head would have exploded if there was any more of it. It is appropriate here, though. |
| woodchips:
I am seriously impressed with just how objectionable the people are on this forum. Not one 'hey, how would the car be made' post at all, just flaming and snide comments. Note that the OP gave no boundaries to what this car would be other than price and performance. So, lets think outside the box. In my odd trips to the scrap yard I see cars with early noughties registration plates on them, so 20 years old. Why are they scrapped I ask? Fag tray is full, or more usually they can't be bothered to replace the cam belt, stuffed engine. So here we have a complete car, just missing a working engine. Why not replace with an electric motor and some batteries? Lots of space to hold the batteries, and if use lead acid then a reasonable price as well. Need a speed control, ever used an electric fork lift truck? My one worked fine with a not very expensive speed control, even has regenerative braking. A range of 100 miles at 5 miles/kWh means 20 kW, a 12V at 100Ah is 1.2kWh, so need 24V at 1000Ah. A 6V 150Ah battery is 22kg so total weight is about 600kg, easily carried in a small car missing the engine and transmission. Lead acid batteries are a well known item, can be endlessly recycled, easily available in a huge range of size and capacity, and weight can't be a problem when electric cars seem to be over 2 tonnes. What else is needed? Got rust free body shell, brakes, steering, door, windows, all safety approvals, so just a heater for winter. There are people who will replace your classic car engine with an electric drive, price I have seen is about £50k, not really affordable. There is so much traffic on the roads now that single carriageway speeds are about 45mph from my experience. So, how about it, what would be possible using scrap car body shells? |
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