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bd139:

--- Quote from: woodchips on October 04, 2023, 09:16:04 am ---I am seriously impressed with just how objectionable the people are on this forum. Not one 'hey, how would the car be made' post at all, just flaming and snide comments.

Note that the OP gave no boundaries to what this car would be other than price and performance. So, lets think outside the box. In my odd trips to the scrap yard I see cars with early noughties registration plates on them, so 20 years old. Why are they scrapped I ask? Fag tray is full, or more usually they can't be bothered to replace the cam belt, stuffed engine. So here we have a complete car, just missing a working engine. Why not replace with an electric motor and some batteries?

Lots of space to hold the batteries, and if use lead acid then a reasonable price as well. Need a speed control, ever used an electric fork lift truck? My one worked fine with a not very expensive speed control, even has regenerative braking. A range of 100 miles at 5 miles/kWh means 20 kW, a 12V at 100Ah is 1.2kWh, so need 24V at 1000Ah. A 6V 150Ah battery is 22kg so total weight is  about 600kg, easily carried in a small car missing the engine and transmission. Lead acid batteries are a well known item, can be endlessly recycled, easily available in a huge range of size and capacity, and weight can't be a problem when electric cars seem to be over 2 tonnes.

What else is needed? Got rust free body shell, brakes, steering, door, windows, all safety approvals, so just a heater for winter.

There are people who will replace your classic car engine with an electric drive, price I have seen is about £50k, not really affordable. There is so much traffic on the roads now that single carriageway speeds are about 45mph from my experience.

So, how about it, what would be possible using scrap car body shells?


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I think you miss the problem here which is not the topic, but the user. You need to understand some of the history behind the user to appreciate the comments.

Shonky:

--- Quote from: woodchips on October 04, 2023, 09:16:04 am ---I am seriously impressed with just how objectionable the people are on this forum. Not one 'hey, how would the car be made' post at all, just flaming and snide comments.

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Maybe go back and look at poster's history (and previous aliases)? And when asked reasonable questions like post a cost breakdown it's completely ignored anyway.

ebastler:

--- Quote from: woodchips on October 04, 2023, 09:16:04 am ---So, how about it, what would be possible using scrap car body shells?

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Personal background of the OP aside, I understood his idea to be for a production-model car, not a personal tinkering project. And I can't see a viable business model which starts with scrap car shells. Availability of "good enough" shells (of the right model) would severely limit you, and the quality control, warranty and liability issues sound like a nightmare.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: hans on October 01, 2023, 08:44:42 am ---x 195Wh/km

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This is where median vs. average matters (and median over the whole population i.e. taking number of cars sold for each model into account). The average of this list is clearly biased by large vans, which, due to frontal area and weight are going to consume more. OP is designing a small (4-seater, not even 5!) car, so Tesla Model 3 numbers would be closer. In city traffic, numbers around 140-150Wh/km are realistic in all smaller passenger cars (excluding those stupid large SUV-type frames).

tom66:
Even my ID.3 which has a modest aero footprint gets around 170Wh/km even at highway speeds in summer.  In city traffic (stop start) I've seen 130-140Wh/km provided I'm careful with regen and don't gun it at the lights every time!

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