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Simon:

--- Quote from: nctnico on October 04, 2023, 09:59:45 pm ---Agreed. IMHO those who say we should consume less have it completely wrong. We should consume more efficient, not less. Consuming less means evolving backwards like walking on all four instead of upright.

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Less can be more efficient. Lost of things people do is just pointless. Several people in my company live in the same small town, do we lift share? I would net even dare broach the subject. We just travel to work in a convoy almost.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Simon on October 05, 2023, 06:04:40 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on October 04, 2023, 09:59:45 pm ---Agreed. IMHO those who say we should consume less have it completely wrong. We should consume more efficient, not less. Consuming less means evolving backwards like walking on all four instead of upright.

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Less can be more efficient. Lost of things people do is just pointless.

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According to whom? That's so pretty when people start deciding for everyone what is pointless and what is not.
tom66:

--- Quote from: Simon on October 04, 2023, 05:25:03 pm ---Note that the OP gave no boundaries to what this car would be other than price and performance. So, lets think outside the box. In my odd trips to the scrap yard I see cars with early noughties registration plates on them, so 20 years old. Why are they scrapped I ask? Fag tray is full, or more usually they can't be bothered to replace the cam belt, stuffed engine. So here we have a complete car, just missing a working engine. Why not replace with an electric motor and some batteries?

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An old car is unique; it might have rust, worn suspension, it might have one type of rear axle or another,  different braking systems, different final drive, etc.  Where is the engineering resource to design hundreds of custom systems for these vehicles and find places to fit electric motors and batteries?  And all this work on a car that might last 5 more years before having to have substantial overhaul?

It's far simpler to crush them into a cube and recycle them.  Cars are possibly the most recycled consumer item out there.  Something like 50% of the steel in a modern car is recycled, and aluminium (where present) can approach 80%.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: tom66 on October 05, 2023, 09:05:22 am ---
--- Quote from: Simon on October 04, 2023, 05:25:03 pm ---Note that the OP gave no boundaries to what this car would be other than price and performance. So, lets think outside the box. In my odd trips to the scrap yard I see cars with early noughties registration plates on them, so 20 years old. Why are they scrapped I ask? Fag tray is full, or more usually they can't be bothered to replace the cam belt, stuffed engine. So here we have a complete car, just missing a working engine. Why not replace with an electric motor and some batteries?

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An old car is unique; it might have rust, worn suspension, it might have one type of rear axle or another,  different braking systems, different final drive, etc.  Where is the engineering resource to design hundreds of custom systems for these vehicles and find places to fit electric motors and batteries?  And all this work on a car that might last 5 more years before having to have substantial overhaul?

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I don't think Simon is writing about rare classic cars but common models build to reasonable quality standards like a Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus / Volvo V50, etc. The models that got sold in the hundreds of thousands with very little variation between them. There are two things that really wear on a car: the engine + gearbox and the suspension. If you do a complete suspension overhaul (which sets you back around 2.5k euro), you have a car that drives like new from the factory and has lots of life left. Still, for a battery conversion you'd need to have a place to put the batteries in an existing car which isn't very easy as it has not been designed to accomodate a battery pack. That is where the conversion gets labour intensive and thus expensive.

mendip_discovery:
In the UK any changes to a vehicle are based on a points / percentage thing. So you could change an engine like for like or change a few suspension parts but if you make any big changes such as converting to electric it will need to go for a inspection which isnt that bad as long as it meets the specifications. Adding a lot of extra weight may cause some issues but so far its seems to work.

I asked at a place the cost for converting my 24 year old Land Rover Defender 110 and they said it would be around £60k if I fitted it myself. So for now I am just waiting for the hover convertion to become available as that is worth the extra cost for the MrFusion setup.

The whole idea of cheap electric cars isnt new and China is making a lot of them but the current market is for better build quality than what would be offered at the 6k price range. It's bad enough that several of the options at the moment are plastic poor build quality cars aka American with a few Euro and Japanese cars at the higher end.
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