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Electricians - an awkward bunch to deal with
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vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: shapirus on March 28, 2023, 09:10:00 pm ---Electricians aside, let's talk about metrologists and the "your one volt is unholy until it is sanctified". Of course it is not, but sometimes they sound like I must have a calibration certificate for my DMM to have a right to refer to its measurements in a discussion.

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Back in the day, we had an informal concept of "on site" one volt for video signals.
In the real world, it did not matter if was really 0.9 v or 1.1 v, as long as everything in the building agreed on the same level.

Also, on this forum, God help you if you should dare to be so "ideologically impure" as to suggest that an analog 'scope could be more effective in some particular application than a DSO.
The "true believers" will descend on you!!
themadhippy:

--- Quote --- I presume it's because the industrial sparkies understand that there are things in this world that they don't understand whilst the domestic ones are yet to realise this
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And due to the backhanders rules in the uk,said industrial sparks aint allowed to do domestic work unless they pay there bung to an appropriate  cartel,even thought often they've not only passed the same exams,but often continued to study to a higher level
vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on March 28, 2023, 08:57:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: paulca on March 28, 2023, 06:49:55 pm ---Having just had a forum on a local electrical suppliers around an inverter install it would seem the best way to piss off an electrician is to start trying to work out what it is they do in front of them.

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In my opinionated opinion, sparks (electricians) come in two flavours. Those who know exactly what they are doing, understand the practical aspects of installation and, can give you a theory lesson on earth leakage current - written on the back of an envelope. And then there are those who went on a course and payed the fees. Funny how these guys never have anything in their van that is needed for the job they came to do? Not even half a yard of T&E cable. Time served? In prison I suspect.

Either species bang on about "the Regs". Some know the regs, even the latest ones, know why the regs exist and how the regs are often written by 'engineers' who have never used a Fluke installation tester in their academic lives. And then there's those who just bang on about the regs. Yes, anyone with overpowering aftershave can use a bleeping plug-in socket tester. Remember, to most people electrics is voodoo.

Regardless of the manpower quality though, you'll own a recent electrical inspection certificate which validates your insurance :-DMM


As a side: I note my autocorrection keeps trying to change the word electrician to electrocution?

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Back in the day, in Oz, electricians had to go to Tech school & learn actual electrical theory.

During the crazy days of the late 1980s/'90s, it was the "received wisdom" that Trade Occupations were going to become obsolete, as "everything would be done with computers", the large State owned public utilities which each year turned out a lot of qualified "Tradies", many of whom who duly went off to work for the Private Sector, were decimated, (& ultimately sold off) slashing their apprentice intakes.

The Private Sector whose training was already inadequate in numerical terms, saw what the govt had done & slashed their training, too.

When it eventuated that the MBAs & people with Degrees in Computer Science were not all getting jobs in those areas, but some were "flipping burgers", whilst at the same time, "Tradies" were becoming "rare as hen's teeth", a re-think was in order.

Governments then asked industry what they needed----sounds good, but industry, who had in the main, not been involved in Technical Training for years, just said "we want people who "can do this, or do that", so the Tech Schools became TAFE, with the new idea being to teach specific skills in short courses "monkey see, monkey do" style, without any serious attempt at an overarching theoretical narrative to link things together.
james_s:
If you think electricians are bad, try dealing with HVAC guys.

I was fortunate growing up that one of my favorite uncles was a master electrician, he used to let me help him with projects and taught me all the tricks. I considered going into that line of work but he said I'd be bored, maybe so, I get bored doing what I do now but at least I don't have to put up with a union and the associated thugs.
TERRA Operative:
On the other side of the coin, as an electrician, having to deal with whiney customers peering over your shoulder thinking they know more than you and trying to tell you how to do your job is why I got out of domestic electrical, and eventually electrical entirely.

I've been a sparky across 3 states of Australia and two countries. Now I work in IT and am happy to sit in a data center a loooonnngggg way from any customers...



I agree on the HVAC thing though, those guys are fkn cowboys.  :-DD
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