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Electroboom: How Right IS Veritasium?! Don't Electrons Push Each Other??
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hamster_nz:
Yes  that is exactly the point.

An electron at 1001V is the same as one at 1V.

The electron's potential is chosen based on the points you calculate (or measure) between, not the electron.
AnalogueLove1867:
Ok. This whole debate is completely pointless and easily settled once and for all with just a few simple observations.

1. There is no charge with zero mass. No massless particles have ever been observed with charge.
2. There can never be a potential difference without a movement of charged particles.
3. A current cannot flow without a potential difference ( with the exception of superconductors within certain limits ).
3. There can never be a magnetic field without a movement of charged particles.
4. There can be no electromagnetic radiation without a movement of charged or uncharged particles as generators.

So. The movement of mass is the fundamental source of all electrical phenomenon and everything else is secondary effects of said movement.

Veritasium is  arguing that a Meteorite shoots through the Earths atmosphere being propelled by the heat, light and shockwaves!
When in reality the meteorite has a high velocity and a gravitational field that is interacting with the Earths Velocity and gravitational field.
The heat, light and shockwaves are all secondary effects produced by the motion of the meteorite.
hamster_nz:

--- Quote from: AnalogueLove1867 on July 03, 2022, 01:41:43 am ---Ok. This whole debate is completely pointless and easily settled once and for all with just a few simple observations.

1. There is no charge with zero mass. No massless particles have ever been observed with charge.
2. There can never be a potential difference without a movement of charged particles.
3. A current cannot flow without a potential difference ( with the exception of superconductors within certain limits ).
3. There can never be a magnetic field without a movement of charged particles.
4. There can be no electromagnetic radiation without a movement of charged or uncharged particles as generators.

So. The movement of mass is the fundamental source of all electrical phenomenon and everything else is secondary effects of said movement.

Veritasium is  arguing that a Meteorite shoots through the Earths atmosphere being propelled by the heat, light and shockwaves!
When in reality the meteorite has a high velocity and a gravitational field that is interacting with the Earths Velocity and gravitational field.
The heat, light and shockwaves are all secondary effects produced by the motion of the meteorite.

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Is it worth pointing out that the direction of flow of charges (or mass) is not always the direction of flow of the energy. eg. in a wire from the positive terminal of a battery to a lamp the electrons are flowing from the lamp to the battery, but the energy is flowing in the other direction (from the battery to the lamp?
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: hamster_nz on July 03, 2022, 02:06:05 am ---Is it worth pointing out that the direction of flow of charges (or mass) is not always the direction of flow of the energy. eg. in a wire from the positive terminal of a battery to a lamp the electrons are flowing to the battery, but the energy is flowing in the other direction (from the battery to the lamp?

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You are confused by the conventional (wrong) vs real current flow.
hamster_nz:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on July 03, 2022, 02:08:32 am ---
--- Quote from: hamster_nz on July 03, 2022, 02:06:05 am ---Is it worth pointing out that the direction of flow of charges (or mass) is not always the direction of flow of the energy. eg. in a wire from the positive terminal of a battery to a lamp the electrons are flowing to the battery, but the energy is flowing in the other direction (from the battery to the lamp?

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You are confused by the conventional (wrong) vs real current flow.

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No I am not. Draw the circuit out, and put arrows showing the flow of electrons in the wires. In one wire they flow from the battery to the lamp, in the other they flow from the lamp to the battery.

Energy only flows from the battery to the lamp.
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