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Electroboom: How Right IS Veritasium?! Don't Electrons Push Each Other??
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electrodacus:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on June 19, 2022, 08:06:41 pm ---But in many cases, as with this discussion, there is no fundamental "wrong" in any of what Veritasium, Electroboom and others have said. Those are just different points of view, and they are essentially debating models, none of which is fully accurate or fully depainting "reality". Our models are just useful tools. Just my 2 cents.

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The explanation in Derek's videos are fundamentally wrong.
Main claim: "energy doesn't flow in wires"
Reality: electrical energy flows through wires in his example.
Of course there are special cases like the vacuum diode where energy travels through wires but also through vacuum as charged particles (electrons) travel from cathode to anode.

 
There is no electron flow trough that 1m of space between the wires making the transmission line.
The small current he observes through the lamp after the switch is closed is due to line capacitance being charged.
He completely ignored transmission line capacitance in first video and mentioned but ignored it in the second video.
daqq:

--- Quote from: aetherist on June 18, 2022, 09:31:50 pm ---And, re near field & far field, there is much to say about NF/FF re my photon theory, & i was hoping that Veritasium might be starting along that line (re his own theory), but nope, fizzer, he dropped the NF/FF stuff, koz in any case he duznt know much about that angle (in the present context), which is at the crux of my photon theory (& which is a work in progress)(there are problems), but i dont expect to go into it here on this forum.

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Huh, interesting. But this fella has an interesting theory as well: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/the-non-linear-plasma-reactor/ , might be worth checking out.
SiliconWizard:
Good potential for doing it all over again after two large threads already. ;D
aetherist:

--- Quote from: daqq on June 20, 2022, 06:51:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on June 18, 2022, 09:31:50 pm ---And, re near field & far field, there is much to say about NF/FF re my photon theory, & i was hoping that Veritasium might be starting along that line (re his own theory), but nope, fizzer, he dropped the NF/FF stuff, koz in any case he duznt know much about that angle (in the present context), which is at the crux of my photon theory (& which is a work in progress)(there are problems), but i dont expect to go into it here on this forum.
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Huh, interesting. But this fella has an interesting theory as well: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/the-non-linear-plasma-reactor/ , might be worth checking out.
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1. My photonic (electon) electricity applies to wires (conductors) only.
2. Old (electron) electricity applies to say plasma etc.
3. So too old (proton) electricity applies to plasma etc.
4. Electron & proton electricity apply of course to ionic electricity too.
5. Then we have Ivor Catt's electricity which is the Heaviside slab of E×H energy current around a wire/circuit, or tween wires.
6. Then we have Veritasium's electricity which is the Poynting Vector/Field around a wire/circuit.
(5) & (6) are similar in that they both surround the wire(s), but they are different.
(2) also applies to electricity on a wire (surface electrons) & inside a wire (drifting electrons)(they say).

Anyhow, my new (electon) electricity (1) duznt apply to say plasma or lightning etc.
My new (electon) electricity contradicts (5) & (6). But (5) & (6) might exist in a weak minor fashion (depending on sematics).

Considerations of near field & far field are necessary to fully explain my (1), but not any of the others i think.
eti:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on June 20, 2022, 07:08:52 pm ---Good potential for doing it all over again after two large threads already. ;D

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ikr...  :-// :palm:
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