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Electroboom: How Right IS Veritasium?! Don't Electrons Push Each Other??

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pcprogrammer:
I just gave up. I tried without links and that did not work either, but maybe it triggers on EEVblog or github and still removes comments that mention those.

It is a bit of a shame how this kills the original idea of a fully open platform, but the truth is that people can't handle a fully open platform. As you say it will go up in proverbial flames with a lot of mud slinging and thus leading to nowhere.

HuronKing:

--- Quote from: Sredni on June 21, 2022, 05:30:12 am ---By the look of it, Derek is just 4-5 remote calls away from dubbing Mehdi a flatearther.

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It was interesting to me that Mehdi retreated into the "electrons are pushing AND pulling" explanation like two ends of a chain and sprocket or two ends of a water pump... Derek says "that's nice... that's nice"... WHEN THIS IS THE EXACT ANALOGY DEREK WAS DEBUNKING IN HIS FIRST VIDEO!  :-DD

He slips it in "and if we add the idea of field interaction then we're totally in agreement" and Mehdi's all "yea yea, whatever, I'm right too!"

Lol.

electrodacus:

--- Quote from: Sredni on June 21, 2022, 07:36:51 am ---Have you ever consider the possibility that it might be you going the wrong way on the highway?

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I see no evidence for that.  As soon as I can see the evidence I will apologize and turn around going the correct way.

There is no evidence showing that energy travels through a capacitor (basically what Derek is saying) and all evidence points that energy flows in to a capacitor when charging and out of the capacitor when discharging.

Same for direct downwind faster than wind vehicle where energy is being stored when vehicle is below wind speed then that stored energy is what allows the vehicle to exceed wind speed but only for a limited amount of time proportional with the amount of energy stored.

electrodacus:

--- Quote from: HuronKing on June 21, 2022, 09:35:50 am ---It was interesting to me that Mehdi retreated into the "electrons are pushing AND pulling" explanation like two ends of a chain and sprocket or two ends of a water pump... Derek says "that's nice... that's nice"... WHEN THIS IS THE EXACT ANALOGY DEREK WAS DEBUNKING IN HIS FIRST VIDEO!  :-DD

He slips it in "and if we add the idea of field interaction then we're totally in agreement" and Mehdi's all "yea yea, whatever, I'm right too!"

Lol.

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While all analogies have limitations the one with "electrons are pushing AND pulling" is way closer to what happens in reality.
What Mehdi was trying to say by "I'm right too" is that his analogy works in all applications and never gives an incorrect result but since he was confused by Derek's explanation and did not had a counter argument he also accepted Derek's incorrect analogy considering that may be a valid alternative analogy when it is not.
That is about what happened with the professor that lost 10K due to his inability to explain how the small toy vehicle can drive on the treadmill against the direction the treadmill was moving. For him that should be impossible as he completely ignored the fact that propeller stores energy by creating a pressure differential while vehicle was kept in place with the hand and then when released that stored energy is what pushed the vehicle in the opposite direction that treadmill surface was moving.
So vehicle was no longer powered by treadmill (that will be impossible) but powered by stored energy. The treadmill was way to short to show that vehicle stops accelerating and moves backward after stored energy is used but if video was taken from the side you can see the rate of acceleration dropping as the stored energy is being used up. Likely people either forgot that air is a compressible fluid or do not know what that is and is not helpful that air is invisible.
If most people have problems understanding air as a compressible fluid I do not expect to understand even more abstract things like electrons.

Naej:

--- Quote from: HuronKing on June 21, 2022, 09:35:50 am ---
--- Quote from: Sredni on June 21, 2022, 05:30:12 am ---By the look of it, Derek is just 4-5 remote calls away from dubbing Mehdi a flatearther.

--- End quote ---

It was interesting to me that Mehdi retreated into the "electrons are pushing AND pulling" explanation like two ends of a chain and sprocket or two ends of a water pump... Derek says "that's nice... that's nice"... WHEN THIS IS THE EXACT ANALOGY DEREK WAS DEBUNKING IN HIS FIRST VIDEO!  :-DD

He slips it in "and if we add the idea of field interaction then we're totally in agreement" and Mehdi's all "yea yea, whatever, I'm right too!"

Lol.

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Maybe Derek finally realized he didn't debunk anything?

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