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| electrodacus:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on July 17, 2022, 01:11:18 pm ---I think I may have misunderstood the proposition. I assumed that any marble in the cat's cradle would do as the initial one, for the purposes of tracking motion, but I think instead you mean the one you swing, which does obviously move slower than the shockwave in the chain. So, yes, the first marble would be slow and the last seem to be moved almost simultaneously. But I am not sure that represents the electron situation. Specifically, I am missing the first swinging electron - perhaps there isn't one, or I and seeing it and not recognising it. --- End quote --- The analogy is very good (with the limitation of any analogy) other than speed of sound in the material vs speed of light for electron wave. Even Derek mentioned this analogy I think in his first video. The first electrons will be jumping the small space between contacts when switch is being closed how large this distance is will depend on potential. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on July 17, 2022, 03:17:51 pm --- --- Quote from: dunkemhigh on July 17, 2022, 01:11:18 pm ---I think I may have misunderstood the proposition. I assumed that any marble in the cat's cradle would do as the initial one, for the purposes of tracking motion, but I think instead you mean the one you swing, which does obviously move slower than the shockwave in the chain. So, yes, the first marble would be slow and the last seem to be moved almost simultaneously. But I am not sure that represents the electron situation. Specifically, I am missing the first swinging electron - perhaps there isn't one, or I and seeing it and not recognising it. --- End quote --- The analogy is very good (with the limitation of any analogy) other than speed of sound in the material vs speed of light for electron wave. Even Derek mentioned this analogy I think in his first video. The first electrons will be jumping the small space between contacts when switch is being closed how large this distance is will depend on potential. --- End quote --- I think you shouldn't like this analogy because the logical conclusion is that it's the shockwave that transfers the energy, not the marbles/electrons. So the shockwave would be the field. |
| electrodacus:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on July 17, 2022, 03:25:30 pm --- I think you shouldn't like this analogy because the logical conclusion is that it's the shockwave that transfers the energy, not the marbles/electrons. So the shockwave would be the field. --- End quote --- What you call shock wave I call electron wave and mentioned that in almost all comments I made on the subject. The thing is that electron wave travels inside the wire not outside the wire. The main claim Derek made with witch I disagree is "energy doesn't flow in wires" and that is an absurd claim to make. His "proof" is that current flows through lamp much sooner than electron wave has time to travel through entire length of the wire while is completely ignores the line capacitance which is actually responsible for what he is seeing in the initial transient phase. |
| gnuarm:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on July 17, 2022, 04:55:48 am --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on July 17, 2022, 03:15:58 am ---Dude, you are psychotic. You really think anyone can't see your BS? Don't switch to anything. Stick to the wind since that is what's happening. You can't grasp how to manipulate the model to agree with your claims, so you have to change them. You have done this every time. You have misrepresented the facts many, many times and you continue to refuse to see reality. Ok, that's on you. The rest of us understand what is happening. I feel sorry for your employers. --- End quote --- Hopefully others can provide their understanding. Your vehicle when moving at 10ms direct downwind with a 5m/s wind will experience a 5m/s (10m/s - 5m/s) headwind. No air particle will be able to hit the back of the sail in order to power the vehicle. --- End quote --- Why do you continue to distort the example. The SAILS are traveling at 2.5 m/s, not 10 m/s. I've made that very clear. So the sails will feel the wind pushing them in the direction of the car with 2.5 m/s relative velocity. Usually you try to muddy the waters. In this case, you are just making up your own reality, basically LYING about the facts. Don't do that. --- Quote ---You just forget what powers this vehicle. No air particle hitting the back of the vehicle (this includes the sail) no forward acceleration. It is useful to think in terms of balls as that will be a non compressible fluid equivalent and you will realize that without energy storage it can not work. It is a limitation that you have not allowing you to deal with multiple variable changing at the same time. That is a bit strange based on your user name. You refuse to understand that sails move around the vehicle and you imagine an infinite long belt so sails never need to go under the vehicle. --- End quote --- This is the more typical BS you espouse, making up irrelevant crap. I trimmed the rest of your pointless tirade. We've read all your crap before. When are you going to acknowledge reality? |
| Alex Eisenhut:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on July 17, 2022, 03:49:25 pm --- --- Quote from: dunkemhigh on July 17, 2022, 03:25:30 pm --- I think you shouldn't like this analogy because the logical conclusion is that it's the shockwave that transfers the energy, not the marbles/electrons. So the shockwave would be the field. --- End quote --- What you call shock wave I call electron wave and mentioned that in almost all comments I made on the subject. The thing is that electron wave travels inside the wire not outside the wire. --- End quote --- Amazing! How does a wave propagate slower in a stripline than in a microstrip? Why did Tektronix put a variable velocity on their TDR systems? How does this "electron wave" propagate at different speeds inside the wire depending on the material outside the wire? For that matter, how do you explain dielectric losses? |
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