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Electronics industry in the west (the lack of it)...(re-posted without naming)
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OwO:

--- Quote from: blueskull on April 15, 2020, 12:43:53 pm ---Calculus 1 covers advanced integration (derivation and simple integration are covered at high school).
Calculus 2 here has 2D/3D covered, cylindrical and spherical coordinates covered, and gradient and curl also covered.
Anyway there is complex analysis before electromagnetism.

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Okay, that means you compress two classes into one, since your calculus 1 corresponds to calculus 1 & 2 in "the west", and your calculus 2 is calculus 3 & 4. Are each of your calculus classes only one semester long (4 months)?
coppice:

--- Quote from: blueskull on April 15, 2020, 12:10:57 pm ---When I did my BSEE degree, I did more math or math-intensive courses than pure EE courses.

I did calculus 1, calculus 2, linear algebra, probability theory, physics 1, physics 2, math & physics methods (complex analysis), electromagnetism & field theory, signal and systems, control theory, microwave theory and image processing theory (2D expansion of signal and systems).

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From your later messages, it seems the maths you listed was only a small part of your overall course. The rest is straight on EE material. All those topics are maths heavy, but they are pure EE. If that's your idea of math-intensive, then all you are saying is that serious EE work includes a lot of maths. I think we all knew that.
VK3DRB:
Electronics manufacturing won't go back to the West. The West and China itself will just find another third world country like China to exploit cheap labour and the lax environmental laws. If you think for one moment any of the West's corporations are in China to help the poor Chinese workers, you are a naive fool. They are there to maximise profits for their shareholders. That is their sole intention.

Don't think they are altruistic. Sure they might do some token gesture, but why do you think most of the corporations are into heavy tax avoidance? They shift profits to wherever the taxes on profits are lowest. They do not want to pay money for hospitals, schools etc in the countries they do business, because when it all boils down to it, they don't give a #$%* about anyone except themselves.
ocset:
Granted the kind respondents here are not the people to  whom this thread should be directed.
The respondents here are amongst the most  brilliant electronics engineers in the world. You  could all choose which country you wanted to work in. Respectfully I say, if the country you were in went down...you could all simply move to a safer one..,..and get a high(er)  paying electronics job there.
I can quite see that the overall point of this thread is not going to be  high in your  ” in-trays”



--- Quote ---Designing a flyback converter that can be low cost, reliable, efficient and meet EMC requirements is a complex job.
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Thanks, but even with my amoebic  brain  I have  got offline flybacks out there  doing their job perfectly well...
...Also passed all regs including EMC generally without  great problem.

Overall,  it would end up being cheaper designing  SMPS’s in the west..
This is because  even though the Far East will design and manufacture say a flyback for you super cheap at first …….you would find that as your product’s sales really built up, the Far Eastern designer would shoot up the price of the SMPS. This always happens,  since they are in business aswell.  Usually the Western corporation will simply tolerate it and pay up…since the product is by then making loads of money anyway.
The Far Eastern  companys can easily do this because they know that the Western SMPS industry has now been so denuded that  the capacity just isnt there to take the jobs  back.


--- Quote ---If you think for one moment any of the West's corporations are in China to help the poor Chinese workers, you are a naive fool. They are there to maximise profits for their shareholders. That is their sole intention.

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Understand your point about greedy Western capitalism taking manufacture (and design aswell) to the cheapest  place on earth, wherever  that  may be. However,  I think we would both agree that the end-game of this is eventually dire straits and doom for the West.
USA and  Germany are the  Western countries that have retained the most “in country” electronics manufacturing…and  its no surprise that they are the richest and most wealthy Western countries, which prooves my point.  –They also have  more engineers….which makes for even more wealth making of itself. Ultimately, importing loads of Far Eastern SMPS’s  (and other stuff etc etc) only makes the Western middle men rich. The rest of us get poorer, and more jobless.
Ice-Tea:

--- Quote from: treez on April 18, 2020, 08:42:32 am ---Overall,  it would end up being cheaper designing  SMPS’s in the west..
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Lol, no.


--- Quote --- Usually the Western corporation will simply tolerate it and pay up…since the product is by then making loads of money anyway.
The Far Eastern  companys can easily do this because they know that the Western SMPS industry has now been so denuded that  the capacity just isnt there to take the jobs  back.
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Lol, no. Contracts are negotiated almost permanently. With every round, chinese suppliers are squeezed like a lemon and pitted against each other. The idea that chinese companies can just jack up the prices is ludicrous. If they did that, the next contract would go another chinese company offering it at 0,02$ cheaper or to Vietnamese companies or wherever the next big pool of cheap labor is to be found.


--- Quote --- USA and  Germany are the  Western countries that have retained the most “in country” electronics manufacturing…and  its no surprise that they are the richest and most wealthy Western countries, which prooves my point.
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No, it doesn't. Neither the USA or Germany produce commodity power supplies. They may make some speciality industrial/military or whatever (and this is most certainly not limited to the USA or Germany) but they sure as hell won't make the wall warts that go with whatever dingus that are boxed with electronics or whatever.

You're probably not wrong that the reflex to produce everything in the Far East, always, is wrong. But the example you chose is just plain wrong. There's no added value in mass producing power supplies around here.
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