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Electronics job: Left after one day
fourtytwo42:
Giving up after just one day of a hard to handle boss is unjustified, I put up with some of the buggers for years :-/O
You lack tenacity and it certainly will not help your CV / reputation :--
capt bullshot:
--- Quote from: Faringdon on November 20, 2021, 08:44:39 pm ---Hi,
On thurs 4 nov I had a very brief Teams interview with a company that said they needed me to come and design a circuit for them. They then gave me the job and started me on 9th nov at £35k per annum (pro rata, 6 month contract).
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Does anyone know the way round this? Have you had the same thing happen?
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Roughly 41700 EUR salary p.a. would be adequate (low end) for a junior EE fresh from university or an (medium to high end) advanced lab assistant here. Not for an experienced engineer. From what you've told, they were looking for some kind of mindless grunt that just does what they tell him to, offloading that "greatest engineer ever". Doesn't matter if you succeed or fail, you'll be blamed anyway. Bite the bullet, take the money and leave as soon as you can without loosing your face and unecessarily setting them up. One can see this more and more often now. Of course, this engineer did upset you (they'd upset me, too), maybe it's a lesson you've got to learn how to handle this kind of situation without harming your reputation - usually they can tell your recruitment consultants whatever they like and the consultants will believe them, as they are their customer and you're just the goods.
tom66:
--- Quote from: Gyro on November 20, 2021, 10:34:45 pm ---What Faringdon doesn't make clear is that he is a contractor, not a permanent employee. This is the only way that he could have worked for dozens of companies on his CV. As he said, this time he was employed on a 6 month contract.
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This is odd.
The day rate for even a junior engineer on contract is around £35/hour. I would assume Faringdon has more experience and could probably command in the £45-50/hour rate for a senior engineer.
Even at £35/hour that's an annual equivalent salary of £63,000, half what is stated. So did they employ him as a salaried engineer or a contractor?
Gyro:
--- Quote from: Bud on November 21, 2021, 12:01:46 am ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on November 20, 2021, 11:02:45 pm ---A decent company's final interview process should take around half a day, on site -
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You guys down there in EU must be living in a fantasy land.
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Not at all, we have obviously had different career experiences. You quoted me out of context - I said final interviews. You will have weeded out the 'chaff' long before that, by CV, agent, HR, phone interviews etc. You're talking 2 final candidates by that stage, 3 max. With one hour interviews - a management interview, followed by a couple of technical interview and a wrap-up is half a day! A bit longer if you're in a company big enough to have a decent HR department, then you'll want their input into your decision too. I've experienced exactly the same level of interviewing with US companies. It's what the Americans call 'due diligence' - and we over here call doing the job properly. I'm surprised you think Canada is different from the US and UK (and EU) in that respect.
A good manager keeps his job by recruiting the best staff, treating them well, ensuring that their skills stay up to date, caring about their career progression (training and development), and retaining them... and ensuring that they perform well of course.
The jobs market is competitive and recruitment is expensive.You want to do as little of it as possible, but for heavens sake, do it properly when you do! You need a good match - otherwise they leave quickly or don't make it through probation. An employee referral program is a good move too, you typically get a better quality of candidate - your existing staff aren't interested in bringing crap people into the team. It's cheaper for the company than recruitment agencies, or wading though the inevitable piles of unsuitable CVs that result from direct advertising (the main function of an agency in fact). Again, everybody wins.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: Gyro on November 21, 2021, 10:39:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on November 21, 2021, 12:01:46 am ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on November 20, 2021, 11:02:45 pm ---A decent company's final interview process should take around half a day, on site -
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You guys down there in EU must be living in a fantasy land.
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Not at all, we have obviously had different career experiences. You quoted me out of context - I said final interviews. You will have weeded out the 'chaff' long before that, by CV, agent, HR, phone interviews etc. You're talking 2 final candidates by that stage, 3 max. With one hour interviews - a management interview, followed by a couple of technical interview and a wrap-up is half a day! A bit longer if you're in a company big enough to have a decent HR department, then you'll want their input into your decision too. I've experienced exactly the same level of interviewing with US companies. It's what the Americans call 'due diligence' - and we over here call doing the job properly. I'm surprised you think Canada is different from the US and UK (and EU) in that respect.
A good manager keeps his job by recruiting the best staff, treating them well, ensuring that their skills stay up to date, caring about their career progression (training and development), and retaining them... and ensuring that they perform well of course.
The jobs market is competitive and recruitment is expensive.You want to do as little of it as possible, but for heavens sake, do it properly when you do! You need a good match - otherwise they leave quickly or don't make it through probation. An employee referral program is a good move too, you typically get a better quality of candidate - your existing staff aren't interested in bringing crap people into the team. It's cheaper for the company than recruitment agencies, or wading though the inevitable piles of unsuitable CVs that result from direct advertising (the main function of an agency in fact). Again, everybody wins.
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Yes indeed.
Notably the companies I enjoyed working at had long interview processes which enabled both parties to understand the strengths, weaknesses, and fit.
Contrariwise, those companies with a cursory interview process were looking for bodies and/or cannon fodder. It fits with being a Theory X company.
HP took particular care in this respect; they regarded getting the right people (technically and otherwise) people as fundamental to their success. Every interviewee had HR/personnel, technical, and then short senior management interviews. That's essential for a Theory Y company.
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