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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2021, 11:07:58 am »
Giving up after just one day of a hard to handle boss is unjustified, I put up with some of the buggers for years  :-/O
You lack tenacity and it certainly will not help your CV / reputation  :--

Although that's obviously tongue in cheek, sitting in a job where things aren't right shows a lack of... something.

I've only just quit a job after my 2nd day. I'm normally pretty good at quickly getting a handle of things and could tell that I wouldn't fit so called in early on day 3 to drop off my ID etc. and let the relevent people know so it wouldn't disrupt their day waiting for me. I emailed my resignation and was thanked and we went on our ways. Mind you this was a low level zero-hours gig to stop me getting too bored in my first winter of early retirement - it would be my 6th job since leaving school in the 70s.

As for the OP, I can't make up my mind whether he's unlucky, incompetent, a fantasist or sometimes I wonder if he's doing a psychology degree and these posts are some sort of social experiment??
 
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2021, 11:44:12 am »
Those companies must have too much free time on hand to spend on each applicant. Let alone half a day on one interview - unless it was the Coca-Cola president hiring a VP of Operations .
You are misreading. The total sum of all interviews adds up to half a day for people that get hired. IMHO this is a good average that also matches my experience.
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2021, 12:21:46 pm »
Due to the recent situation, I’ve had to find jobs where ever I can. Even in other industries.  So, I’ve been applying for anything. I turned up to a new job and I couldn’t believe the hostility of the women there toward me. Guys, don’t waste your time answering ads for becoming a wet nurse. Bunch of sexists.
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2021, 12:36:27 pm »
There are toxic workplaces in engineering. You'll notice those companies in a state of crisis:
Projects are years late, over budget, nothing is working properly, customers upset, understaffed, rush rush push push panic etc. etc.
Fixed that for you.  I'm in absolute agreement.

People who stay- end up with health issues due to the stress and misery. Really tough people can stay and weather the mess but you have to look after yourself.
And idiots like me think they're the latter, but really are the former; ending up as burned out husks, trying to claw their way back.

Being responsible for a task, without any control over the task or without sufficient information or tools to complete the task, is a common mismanagement pattern.
The only correct action is to change the situation.  With reasonable management, that changes the control/information/tools. With unreasonable management, one has to remove oneself from the situation.  Staying in the situation is the worst option, as you are basically then just a scapegoat or a cog, not a worker/employee.

Assuming what Faringdon described is reasonably accurate, I believe they acted more or less reasonably.

Due to the recent situation, I’ve had to find jobs where ever I can. Even in other industries.  So, I’ve been applying for anything. I turned up to a new job and I couldn’t believe the hostility of the women there toward me. Guys, don’t waste your time answering ads for becoming a wet nurse. Bunch of sexists.
Ed, "wet" doesn't mean you get to come to work sloshed every day.
 
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2021, 01:36:23 pm »
It is not unusual in the electronics engineering field and programming fields. There are plenty of autistic people working in engineering, as well social misfits, egotistical arrogant buffoons, manic depressives, Illuminati conspiracy theorists, and those with absolute zero (-273.16) social skills. I have known a few and I have tolerated most of them. (OK, I admit I might be slightly autistic myself, and I get on well with myself except when I make a stupid mistake like having a 0603 part number in the BOM with an 0402 footprint :palm:). I have come across people like your bombastic buffoon in a few companies. Typically a high IQ, but an very low EQ. But on the whole, most engineers are reasonable people, east to get along with, and almost normal. Out of probably 2000 people I have worked with, there were only a four that were absolutely horrible. Most were fine, and a few fantastic. It a bell curve.
 
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2021, 04:00:54 pm »
. I'm surprised you think Canada is different from the US and UK (and EU) in that respect.

Half an hour HR drone interview on the phone (totally useless from technical competency perspective) and one hour interview with the hiring manager, often accompanied with members of the team. Done.
In fact a friend of mine actually complaint his interview was too short !  :D  (yes they hired him )
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2021, 04:52:47 pm »
thats too strict, when you have to sign off on something that you changed the parts for when you had fingers on your throat from the beginning, fat chance its gonna be a quality product. Everything has to be negotiable about a design because the fucking device physics are not aligned with some stupid ass company policies or wants lol. There is a high chance they have low grade unrefined bullshit to begin with.

They could say 'ideally we want' but if you start hearing 'don't bullshit' on your first day (verbose), fuck em!

 Sounds like when the supply chain is bad, work sucks.

There is something to be said about being respectful for someones topology or core components (don't switch a MCU architecture for no reason) but acting like this about some analog parts is silly. There are so many different types of similar performance converters a smart person can make with similar costs and performance that its hardly an issue, unless the power levels are staggering.

Like if someone started making demands to switch a classic well liked simple class A stage to a class D for little to no reason, I could see that as someone trying to change the 'feel' of a product where sales starts thinking 'wtf', but in most cases you would be OK. I had issues like this were there was maybe like 1 circuit out of many that I was warned is 'difficult' to work with and not to spend time screwing with it unless I knew exactly what was going on. I did not* so I just left it alone because there were like 50 easier development paths to takes in order to improve the complex board. But still that meant like "if you can't present a page of equations and ramifications for changes you want to make with this sub circuit in 2 weeks, just work on something easier". It was not off the books, it was just a 'difficult work' warning, which is reasonable, because most companies have circuits that would cause a mental breakdown in a starting engineer if they were given it for a first job.

*I tried to compare it to other parts/typologies that I chose with regards to either performance or cost, but my analysis was unable to find a better circuit, so I just did not push the issue. Classic case of something complicated working fine in a circuit surrounded by other things working not so fine, so just leave that alone and so something else. You get to be the one telling the boss good job for once, it looks like your old circuit is still best in class (it was not only my desire to eliminate that circuit, it is good, but it sure irked people.. naturally you wanted to go to a modern part but it was just not gonna happen) :-DD
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2021, 05:49:53 pm »
also ignore the hiring company, there are alot of them, they all have a bad reputation and their hated. When you have a real interview for a good place, mentioning a hiring company/contractor company is similar to mentioning that you got mugged in the past. It's more seen that you are a victim then a problem. The hiring company is acting like a feudal enterprise.. problem is you are a citizen and not a serf. The hiring company is not a goverment institution, its just ONE ad-hock network setup to act as a paid service for corporate entities. There are ALOT of these entities and NONE of them are 'aligned' to be in favor of hiring agencies. "elite hiring practices' are often just a indicator of 'internal people problems', you find out no one does any 'elite' work there most of the time.

Its like saying you were part of some desperado vanguard mercenary force sent to the fringe of humanity to maintain operations in some severely unstable area. Contractors experience is similar to Aliens (1986) or Outland (1981) :-DD.

No one is going to blame you for not being 'patriotic' HAHA. The person in the company that works with the hiring company is probobly disliked as well. That guy probobly uses contractors/temps/agency hires because his 'bedside manner' is terrible BTW. Keep in mind also that people that works alot of temp/contractor jobs start to develop thick skin.. so they end up being sent to work for 'difficult' employees that are otherwise useful. Sometimes an average service contract for a department is as simple as putting a average number on 'how much of this boss can you take?'

This is possibly an opportunity in itself, since this leads to easy jobs under difficult people, so people with 'diffusal' skills can find work opportunities... but I would not advise trying to make a positive on toxic work conditions unless your hands are tied.
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2021, 09:43:10 am »
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In fact a friend of mine actually complaint his interview was too short !  :D  (yes they hired him )

Your friend was right.
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2021, 08:25:31 pm »
For tradesmen, acquaintance gives a paid $50/hr for the aptitude-test portion of his job interviews. He gives a candidate a multimeter and control box that is not working and has them troubleshoot it. There's the usual contactors, relays, switches etc. After all the hype, bragging, @ss kissing in the interview, do you really know your stuff?
It's at most 1/2hr of time but point is the candidate is getting paid for it. Many of them choke and can't do it, they are used to just replacing things.

Placement agencies have their own sharky environment - they fight (internally) over which agent serves the client company, and whom is pimping out the candidate. It's dog eat dog.
Agents can hoard CV's to try keep their candidate exclusive, out of the central database. Or steal another agent's candidate, or schmooze a client company - anything to get a placement. They don't even know the difference between PCB, FMEA, C, SQL, Python etc. it can get pretty funny as they are pretty much salespeople. I would say they want to preserve the relationship with CrassB Co. so OP takes the blame.
 
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2021, 08:29:17 pm »
Placement agencies have their own sharky environment - they fight (internally) over which agent serves the client company, and whom is pimping out the candidate. It's dog eat dog.
Agents can hoard CV's to try keep their candidate exclusive, out of the central database. Or steal another agent's candidate, or schmooze a client company - anything to get a placement. They don't even know the difference between PCB, FMEA, C, SQL, Python etc. it can get pretty funny as they are pretty much salespeople. I would say they want to preserve the relationship with CrassB Co. so OP takes the blame.

Yes, it's a highly competitive "market". And candidates flaking out after just a couple days give them a bad rep. Also keep in mind that in most cases, if a candidate just hired leaves before a certain delay (for contract jobs, depends, can be 2 weeks or 1 month), the agency will NOT get paid. That makes them pretty angry.
 
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Re: Electronics job: Left after one day
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2021, 09:07:08 pm »
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Agents can hoard CV's to try keep their candidate exclusive, out of the central database. Or steal another agent's candidate, or schmooze a client company - anything to get a placement. They don't even know the difference between PCB, FMEA, C, SQL, Python etc. it can get pretty funny as they are pretty much salespeople.
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Very very true. I spoke with an agent recently, he was reading from a job spec and wanted to know if I had experience working with "em double-u power converters", I sighed and didn't even have the willpower to come up with a snarky response.

There's quite a big difference between what type of contract it was as to how justifiably upset the agent may be, if its a contract for/of services, then the contractor (service provider) is likely to be operating on behalf of the agent (employment business) for the client. There's a bit more time invested with legal and accounting teams in setting up the arrangement, and ultimately the agreement (client to employment business) is probably in the form of a purchase order which doesn't afford the same niceties as an employment contract and can have penalties for delays and late deliveries easily added: so it can get quite nasty quite quickly.

The fixed-term employment type is a lot more flexible, so yeah the agent/recruiter is missing out on some commission, but it's a quick-win easy-lose kinda game and a lot less time invested per contract. Views may vary?

I have a lot of empathy for the OP at the moment, sounds worrying similar to my current contract from which I sorely wish I'd escaped much earlier on!
 
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