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Electronics products...where are they made/designed?

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Faringdon:
OK, thanks.
Please do not let us blame the Good Chinese People....it is Westerners who place the orders for work.

So is it the case now, that the only realistic course for a  british (insert any western country here)  electronics company, is to get set up, then secretly  start a duplicate company in China using a "puppet" director...make all your money from the Chinese company (design and manufacture) ...and stagnate the engineering in the british company as much as possible (because it doesnt make as much money as the chinese part)...but keep the british company ticking over so you have a presecence in the UK electronics market, and can meet customers in UK  etc...and get them transferred over to the chinese  company if possible?
Is this the way to go now in UK (insert western country here)?
Since Western company's must do this because this is the hand they have been dealt by their governments.
You do this or somebody else comes and does it for you?..and puts you out of business?

floobydust:
MBA's think it's access to a huge market. As soon as you set up shop in china, all the IP is collected and disseminated for the good of the people.
Western corporations are naive and/or greedy, as well as sheep, they willingly enable their demise.
Within days, chinese competitors have the IP and are starting to make cheapened versions of the product. They start patenting the IP in their homeland.

Good read: China Product Development Agreements highlights how you will get ripped off. It's quite bad, especially the quality problem. Anything not precisely spelled out on a BOM will of course get cheapened and substituted.

Steve Saleen "alleges the Chinese shareholders planned to steal his intellectual property and have filed for more than 500 Chinese patents for his designs and technology."
Google set up shop there and their source code stolen.  :-DD

Dyson will get robbed, same for Tesla, as far as the chinese can go. They can't yet make many things of high quality and writing software is their nemesis, both of which are a limiter.

VK3DRB:

--- Quote from: G7PSK on July 18, 2021, 07:47:35 am ---Virtually all consumer electronics are now made in China and if not assembled there the components are made there. This is something I have argued against for a long time, giving up the manufacture of basic materials in favor of imports. Everything from resistors to steel is now made elsewhere, mostly China. This means they have total control over us and other countries all they have to do is turn off the tap and what can we do absolutely nothing cannot even go to war as we no longer have the raw materials to make the weapons and it takes years to set up manufacturing and the weapon stockpiles we have will last but a few days so its all out nuclear or get marched over. This is why the navy wants the MOD to purchase the last steel works in the UK, they wont because the bean counter have the upper hand and they are so myoptic that they cannot see beyond the bottom of the page on their balance books. Its now the way of the world all we can do is sit tight until the CCP and PLA take over and send us all to thaught correction camps.

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Not all electronic components are made in China, but most products are. All efforts should be made by the West to remove the dependency on Chinese made electronics - now. That includes finding alternative rare earth elements. To stay as we are is just foolish.

SteveyG:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on July 18, 2021, 12:26:11 am ---
--- Quote ---Not that unusual, is it? Tesco, for instance, have their own brand (Tesco Finest) and have 'secret' budget brands (Boswell Farms, Creamfields, Ms Molly's, etc). They aren't alone,
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And for at least one product not only is tescos finest range, 2 "secret brands" and  the cheapest  budget version  made in the same factory,but that same factory is  doing the same for waitrose, aldi,lidl and asda.

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True, but they all are produced independently despite coming from the same factory. Waitrose, M&S etc had very differing requirements from the cheaper brands.

Gyro:

--- Quote from: SteveyG on July 20, 2021, 09:11:11 am ---True, but they all are produced independently despite coming from the same factory. Waitrose, M&S etc had very differing requirements from the cheaper brands.

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As witnessed by a past food contamination issue (sometime in the past couple of years irrc), Waitrose and M&S buy their raw chicken from the same supplier as Lidl.  ;D

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