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aetherist:

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--- Quote from: TimFox on August 13, 2023, 11:46:45 pm ---Once again, if electricity “hugs the surface” of a wire, then why does the DC conductance (reciprocal of resistance) scale with the cross-sectional area, not the circumference?
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Let's keep in simple: because when enough time is provided, the electricity penetrates inside, to make more intimate bond with the wire.
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Yes, i like that. U of course are referring to the standard AC explanation, & i suspect that Tim's original linked table is for AC.
But i am liking your explanation in regard to my hugging elekton elekticity. Bearing in mind that i agree that there is an electron electricity in a wire (which i describe as hugging elektron elektricity)(here hugging the nuclei).
But i did not intend to say any more re my hugging elektons. But then i saw your comment which is in line with my thinking, that (fast) elekton elekticity is "when enough time is provided" "penetrates inside" to give us (slow) elektricity.

And, re other comments re the correctness of present engineering equations etc, i am happy with present equations, my ideas dont change any of that.
But, our present equations are simply simple models, that give good numbers -- they dont explain anything.

aetherist:

--- Quote from: vad on August 14, 2023, 06:30:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 14, 2023, 04:07:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: TimFox on July 07, 2023, 06:42:25 pm ---Don't rely on the headline.
The actual research result involved an upper limit on the dipole moment of the electron.
"Roundness" is not a real technical term in particle physics.
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I'm confused.  How could the electron have a dipole moment?  It consists of no constituent parts.  It is a primitive particle.  To have a dipole moment, it would need two opposite charges, separated by a distance.  Is someone proposing the electron is not primitive?
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The currently accepted theory, known as the standard model, postulates that the electron is an elementary particle without any internal constituents. The experiment have confirmed this theory on a smaller scale than ever before.

Whether the standard model is accurate, and whether elementary particles lack a geometric shape at even smaller scales is unknown. Alternative theories might surface if future experiments reveal finer structures within elementary particles.

Physics differs from climate “science”. In physics, room for doubt exists, and there are always alternative theories. Experimental physicists always try to find anomalies that cannot be explained by theories.

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Its simple. All is photons, the elementary quasi particle.
Photons make elementary particles.
But, in an atom, we dont have elementary particles orbiting a nucleus -- we have photons orbiting the nucleus.
Photons have mass. Photons have momentum. Photons have inertia. And so do orbiting photons in an atom.
And, orbiting photons have all of the qualities of the (silly) orbiting electrons.

TimFox:
How do the orbiting photons in your model (not yet substantiated) explain the Zeeman and Stark effects of external magnetic and electric fields on the atomic spectra?

(BTW, I haven't done the calculations yet but I guess that the erroneous wire table I linked was in terms of mm2, the common wire size in metric-speaking countries, rather than mm diameter, since I have had technical conversations with foreign engineers who used "mils" or "mm" as an abbreviation for area.)

aetherist:

--- Quote from: TimFox on August 14, 2023, 11:32:32 pm ---How do the orbiting photons in your model (not yet substantiated) explain the Zeeman and Stark effects of external magnetic and electric fields on the atomic spectra?

(BTW, I haven't done the calculations yet but I guess that the erroneous wire table I linked was in terms of mm2, the common wire size in metric-speaking countries, rather than mm diameter, since I have had technical conversations with foreign engineers who used "mils" or "mm" as an abbreviation for area.)

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I  am an Engineer not a physicist, & i dont know enuff about that kind of stuff.
I go along with most of what physicist JG Williamson says -- he says that photons orbit a nucleus.
A hugging photon has charge & orbit etc etc, like a (silly) electron.  Hence i dont see how orbiting photons should have any special problem (compared to silly electrons).

Light is photons confined in one dimension -- no nett charge (in the far field).
Elekticity is photons confined in two dimensions -- have negative charge.
Elektrons is photons confined in three dimensions -- have negative charge.

vad:

--- Quote from: aetherist on August 14, 2023, 11:15:11 pm ---Its simple. All is photons, the elementary quasi particle.
Photons make elementary particles.
But, in an atom, we dont have elementary particles orbiting a nucleus -- we have photons orbiting the nucleus.
Photons have mass. Photons have momentum. Photons have inertia. And so do orbiting photons in an atom.
And, orbiting photons have all of the qualities of the (silly) orbiting electrons.

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Nay, atoms are made of cheese. Lighter atoms are made of fresh, unprocessed varieties, such as ricotta. Atoms of heavier elements up until iron are made of stretched curd varieties, such as mozzarella. The heaviest atoms are made of Swiss-type cheese.

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