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Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« on: September 15, 2020, 09:03:40 pm »
First according to prosecuters she wanted "too much" from the prosecution:

https://www.law360.com/articles/1298029/ex-theranos-ceo-wants-too-much-info-prosecutors-say
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Ex-Theranos CEO Wants Too Much Info, Prosecutors Say
By Mike Curley
Law360 (August 3, 2020, 9:13 PM EDT
) -- Prosecutors are urging a California federal judge to deny the bulk of former Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes' request for information about the grand jury that indicted her, saying she should only get the master list from which the names were picked, not the individual jurors who were selected.

In a response filed Friday, prosecutors said Holmes' bid for deeper discovery into the grand jury discovery process is a strategy becoming prevalent among defendants indicted during the COVID-19 pandemic, but that Holmes' request is overly broad and alleges without basis that the jury was selected unfairly.
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and now seeking to plead some form of mental insanity?

https://www.complianceweek.com/anti-corruption/elizabeth-holmes-might-seek-mental-disease-defense-at-theranos-trial/29457.article
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Elizabeth Holmes might seek ‘mental disease’ defense at Theranos trial
By Aly McDevittTue, Sep 15, 2020 5:29 PM



Elizabeth Holmes, founder and chief executive officer of now-defunct blood testing company Theranos, is exploring the idea of using “mental disease or defect” as part of her defense during her criminal fraud trial, which is set to begin in March after several delays.

Pulitzer-prize winning Wall Street Journal reporter John Carreyrou, who blew the lid off Theranos’s widespread fraud, will be the keynote speaker on Day 2 of Compliance Week’s Third-Party Risk Management Virtual Conference this Friday. His fireside chat at 2 p.m. ET will conclude the two-day virtual event.

Holmes is calling into question her mental faculties during the time period in which she allegedly engaged in criminal behavior as CEO of Theranos—but she would prefer the prosecution be denied the opportunity to evaluate that claim for themselves.

Holmes provided notice of this defense to the government in December 2019, including the name of her chosen expert, Dr. Mindy Mechanic, a clinical psychologist at California State University at Fullerton. Mechanic specializes in the psychosocial consequences of violence against women, among other things.

Mechanic’s potential testimony will concern Holmes’s mental health during the period of alleged conspiracy to commit wire fraud; the topics of her testimony, based on psychological testing and “structured and unstructured interviews,” was stricken from public record. However, the scope of Mechanic’s defense will span “many years” of Holmes’s life, including a six-year period in which the alleged fraud took place, according to court documents.

In March, the government responded by requesting Holmes submit to their own psychological examination, which Holmes opposed. On July 8, U.S. District Judge Edward Davila granted the government’s request at a closed-door hearing.

Two government-selected experts will conduct psychological and psychiatric evaluation of Holmes, respectively: Dr. Daniel Martell, a forensic neuropsychologist, and Dr. Renee Binder, a psychiatrist at the University of California in San Francisco, who specializes in schizophrenia, depression, bipolar affective disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. Holmes opposed the use of two experts, arguing the government is simply attempting “to conduct multiple examinations by multiple examiners.” Judge Davila overruled her objection.

The government’s examination of Holmes, which will last as long as 14 hours and will exclude Holmes’s counsel from being present, will be video recorded. The defense team requested to litigate the government’s proposed testing in advance of their examination, but Judge Davila decided that “in light of the breadth and complexity” of Mechanic’s evaluation on the part of the defense, it would be impracticable.

“A sociopath is often described as someone with little or no conscience. I’ll leave it to the psychologists decide whether Holmes fits the clinical profile, but there’s no question her moral compass was badly askew,” John Carreyrou, the Wall Street Journal reporter who exposed Theranos and Holmes as frauds in a series of articles beginning in October 2015, writes in “Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup.”

When Carreyrou began publishing his exposé, Holmes and her communications consultants strategized ways to hit back against his reporting, according to Carreyrou’s book.

“One approach [Holmes] favored was to portray me as a misogynist. To generate further sympathy, she suggested she reveal publicly that she had been sexually assaulted as a student at Stanford,” Carreyrou writes. Details of the alleged assault are unknown.

Carreyrou will be the keynote speaker on Day 2 of Compliance Week’s Third-Party Risk Management Virtual Conference this Friday.

Holmes, 36, founded Theranos in 2003. Prior to Carreyrou’s exposé, Theranos garnered media attention for being spearheaded by a 19-year-old Stanford University dropout touted as “the next Steve Jobs.” The company purported to be revolutionizing medical laboratory testing through allegedly innovative methods for drawing and testing blood and interpreting test results.

After Carreyrou’s investigative reporting was published, the Securities and Exchange Commission charged Theranos, Holmes, and her right-hand man, Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani, in March 2018 with “an elaborate years-long fraud,” wherein they exaggerated or made false statements about the company’s technology, business, and financial performance. Theranos and Holmes settled the fraud charges; Holmes agreed to pay a $500,000 penalty, relinquish voting control of Theranos, return the remaining 18.9 million shares she obtained during the fraud, and be barred from service as an officer or director of a public company for 10 years. In addition, once the company was liquidated, Holmes would not profit from her ownership until $750 million was returned to defrauded investors and shareholders. Balwani did not settle.

In June 2018, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of California indicted Holmes and Balwani on two counts of conspiracy and nine counts of wire fraud.


I thought that was for a doctor/psychiatrist to diagnose.

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Holmes is calling into question her mental faculties during the time period in which she allegedly engaged in criminal behavior as CEO of Theranos—but she would prefer the prosecution be denied the opportunity to evaluate that claim for themselves.


That is starting to sound to me like a joke as almost as if she is in charge by getting them to do many things and now trying to wriggle out of court.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2020, 09:06:06 pm »
Since when was it up to the crook to decide how they are prosecuted?
 
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 09:18:57 pm »
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Holmes is calling into question her mental faculties during the time period in which she allegedly engaged in criminal behavior as CEO of Theranos—but she would prefer the prosecution be denied the opportunity to evaluate that claim for themselves.
Well, attempting to deny your opposition a means to verify the veracity of your claims seems to be a recurring theme in the Theranos debacle. It's probably the only way she knows how to play.
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2020, 09:23:59 pm »
Since when was it up to the crook to decide how they are prosecuted?

When they have enough money to buy the prosecution, of course.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2020, 09:54:32 pm »
This is the whole problem with insanity defence ... expert testimony is for sale and now the prosecutors have to spend public money to buy their own testimony.
 
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2020, 10:55:57 pm »
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2020, 11:18:43 pm »
Maybe she doesn't know "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" and how it ended  ;D
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2020, 10:13:13 pm »
Isn't there a blood test for it?
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 10:21:59 pm »
Isn't there a blood test for it?
Possibly, but even Holmes wouldn't trust the results.
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2020, 12:59:09 am »
Since when was it up to the crook to decide how they are prosecuted?

It's always been for every crook about thirty seconds before they do the actual crime.

 
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2020, 10:02:44 pm »
She's been described as a sociopath or a psychopath for quite some time and given the lack of affect she projects it's easy to see how those descriptions have been made.  I'm not sure what exact mental issue she's claiming or will claim but being a sociopath has been great for CEO and political types -- if you care not one wit about your employees or constituents then enacting policies that favor a select few at the expense of everyone else can net you a tidy income.  Indeed, one might say we are living in an era in which sociopaths rule -- quite literally. 


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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2020, 04:29:45 am »
She's been described as a sociopath or a psychopath for quite some time and given the lack of affect she projects it's easy to see how those descriptions have been made.  I'm not sure what exact mental issue she's claiming or will claim but being a sociopath has been great for CEO and political types -- if you care not one wit about your employees or constituents then enacting policies that favor a select few at the expense of everyone else can net you a tidy income.  Indeed, one might say we are living in an era in which sociopaths rule -- quite literally. 


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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2020, 06:05:08 am »
Maybe she doesn't know "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" and how it ended  ;D
LOL, no. Times have changed. These days being insane and proud of it is powerful and brave in America, but you must be proud.
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She will spearhead the movement for recognizing that women can't be blamed for anything because they are insane, but it's nothing wrong with them being insane, we just need to accept neurodiversity.
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2021, 02:21:13 pm »
Well, another twist in the saga.

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Elizabeth Holmes, the founder and former CEO of the disgraced blood diagnostics company Theranos, might accuse her ex-boyfriend of mentally and sexually abusing her, thereby clouding her judgement during the time she allegedly committed fraud, according to court documents that were unsealed ahead of her criminal trial.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-defense-plans
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2021, 09:16:00 pm »
I was always going to be some man's fault.
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2021, 10:24:35 pm »
Well, another twist in the saga.

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Elizabeth Holmes, the founder and former CEO of the disgraced blood diagnostics company Theranos, might accuse her ex-boyfriend of mentally and sexually abusing her, thereby clouding her judgement during the time she allegedly committed fraud, according to court documents that were unsealed ahead of her criminal trial.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-defense-plans


so she's going to cry and say an evil man made her do it, and she is really a victim...
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2021, 11:41:34 pm »
Cry me a river, I'm sure he had it coming :P :box:
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2021, 12:55:01 pm »
Still wouldnt kick her out of bed for farting tho!!
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2021, 01:06:31 pm »
Since when was it up to the crook to decide how they are prosecuted?

Forever?
(now our dear president here is doing exactly that)
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2021, 11:55:24 pm »
Gotta love Onion humor. Surprised they didn't make the joke that one simple little blood test would prove her innocent. >:D
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2021, 01:44:01 am »
Still wouldn't kick her out of bed for farting tho!!

Ladies with deep, gravelly voices aren't my thing. Not since...
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2021, 01:49:26 am »
Still wouldn't kick her out of bed for farting tho!!

Ladies with deep, gravelly voices aren't my thing. Not since...
Well, lets just say what happened in Soho stays in Soho.

lots of rumors that the deep voice was just an act
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2021, 06:18:48 am »
Everything crazy chicks do is an act, and the act is what they are for real :scared:
 

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes to seek mental disease/insanity
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2021, 05:05:06 pm »
https://www.theonion.com/elizabeth-holmes-arrives-to-trial-with-prototype-for-bl-1847584107

Ehm..exuse me? Can someone educate me on the 150% piece of it.

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